Getting Ugly In Phl
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What is FOD?
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Happy_People said:
FOD is the junk on the ramp that likes to get sucked in the engines. Bag zippers, locks, coins, etc.
FOD is an acronym for "foreign object debris" or "foreign object damage".
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Pit,
Dell changed my words in a forum post and reposted it as a qoute. I take great offense to that. If a person cannot debate and they have to lie or change my words...well there is no place for that kind of person around here.
I may not agree with you or anyone else for that matter, but I would never lie or worse reply to a post and then change your qoute to quote yourself as being non-union.
Since I am very invovled in my union I take great offense to this kind of poster.
Dell changed my words in a forum post and reposted it as a qoute. I take great offense to that. If a person cannot debate and they have to lie or change my words...well there is no place for that kind of person around here.
I may not agree with you or anyone else for that matter, but I would never lie or worse reply to a post and then change your qoute to quote yourself as being non-union.
Since I am very invovled in my union I take great offense to this kind of poster.
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crushed said:
Just as in the military, there should be a "FOD Walkdown" at every gate periodically through the day in addition to sweeping.
As for myself:
Every flight. Every walkaround. Safety is my business. Want me to mail you what I find?
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Red One,
You have taken most of what I said out of context. I appreciate your situation and sympathize with you, but I did not blame the union and union mentality solely for the situation. I said it is a contributing factor.
The fact is that despite the hard workers like yourself (who by the way we credit with keeping this place going throughout the rough times), the lazy ones who hid behind the contracts and worked hard not to work (and still do), are the ones who need to be weeded out and tossed. The union protects them. I guess perhaps merit should play a part in longevity, but that is a foreign concept to the union mentality. While they did serve a purpose in the past, their role has changed yet they don't change with the times--they need to protect their workers, but from a different set of evils. Without cooperation and cross utilization on occasion, the new company CANNOT succeed. Contractual or not, something has to change.
Regarding your response to the parking issue, I am sorry but there is no excuse whatsoever for an aircraft to wait to be parked at gate C24 while 4 or 5 rampers are sitting on their butts reading or eating at the next gate, just watching. No one even makes a call to get the appropriate parties out there. If your job is to park planes, you park planes, period. If the contract stipulates zones, then shame on whomever signed such a stupid contract (that applies to management AND the union). The job has to be done, period.
I never said I have the answers, I just have opinions...and not all of what I say is off base.
I wish you well in your retirement.
You have taken most of what I said out of context. I appreciate your situation and sympathize with you, but I did not blame the union and union mentality solely for the situation. I said it is a contributing factor.
The fact is that despite the hard workers like yourself (who by the way we credit with keeping this place going throughout the rough times), the lazy ones who hid behind the contracts and worked hard not to work (and still do), are the ones who need to be weeded out and tossed. The union protects them. I guess perhaps merit should play a part in longevity, but that is a foreign concept to the union mentality. While they did serve a purpose in the past, their role has changed yet they don't change with the times--they need to protect their workers, but from a different set of evils. Without cooperation and cross utilization on occasion, the new company CANNOT succeed. Contractual or not, something has to change.
Regarding your response to the parking issue, I am sorry but there is no excuse whatsoever for an aircraft to wait to be parked at gate C24 while 4 or 5 rampers are sitting on their butts reading or eating at the next gate, just watching. No one even makes a call to get the appropriate parties out there. If your job is to park planes, you park planes, period. If the contract stipulates zones, then shame on whomever signed such a stupid contract (that applies to management AND the union). The job has to be done, period.
I never said I have the answers, I just have opinions...and not all of what I say is off base.
I wish you well in your retirement.
Hey Art, their were plenty of lazy SOB's before the union ever got on the property. Let's be fair, you can't blame the union for laziness. Contract or no contract the company has the right to discipline unproductive workers.
Thanks
Thanks
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Thanks.
It is going well. Doing what I want to (and what the wife makes me...lol)
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I rarely come here anymore....about once evey 2 months. Not because I don't care, but most of the time I just read stuff that makes my blood pressure go up. Some about unjust stuff that's apparently still going on....some from people who don't know what the heck they are talking about...some from union guys (that is mostly bs). It is easy for one to have tunnel vision and see only HIS viewpoint.
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I wish everone well. After this post, I'll be back right before Thanksgiving.
Retirement is great. Being away from U is wonderful. PBGC...keep those checks a-coming.
It is going well. Doing what I want to (and what the wife makes me...lol)
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I rarely come here anymore....about once evey 2 months. Not because I don't care, but most of the time I just read stuff that makes my blood pressure go up. Some about unjust stuff that's apparently still going on....some from people who don't know what the heck they are talking about...some from union guys (that is mostly bs). It is easy for one to have tunnel vision and see only HIS viewpoint.
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I wish everone well. After this post, I'll be back right before Thanksgiving.
Retirement is great. Being away from U is wonderful. PBGC...keep those checks a-coming.
Art at ISP
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Muircross,
I agree with your point. HOWEVER, the unions protect the bad eggs when the companies try to discipline or fire them. Then they feel invincible and feel entitled to do as little as possible.
So while I don't blame the unions for laziness, it appears they do nothing to discourage it--and little if anything to encourage productivity.
I have seen how it works in PHL from both extremes--from the 90% of the hard working people who care and bust a gut to keep things going (who are a BIG part of why there's still a US Airways) to the 10% who work hard at not working and find any way possible NOT to do their job. My only point is that there needs to be a way to reward/punish based on merit as much as anything else.
So now we've gone 22 pages of chatter and arguing without a viable suggestion on how to make it work...how about we all expend some energy on trying to fix the problem rather than complaining about it.....
I agree with your point. HOWEVER, the unions protect the bad eggs when the companies try to discipline or fire them. Then they feel invincible and feel entitled to do as little as possible.
So while I don't blame the unions for laziness, it appears they do nothing to discourage it--and little if anything to encourage productivity.
I have seen how it works in PHL from both extremes--from the 90% of the hard working people who care and bust a gut to keep things going (who are a BIG part of why there's still a US Airways) to the 10% who work hard at not working and find any way possible NOT to do their job. My only point is that there needs to be a way to reward/punish based on merit as much as anything else.
So now we've gone 22 pages of chatter and arguing without a viable suggestion on how to make it work...how about we all expend some energy on trying to fix the problem rather than complaining about it.....
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I agree PB. I have worked with some sorry ones that were protected by my (?) union. Most of the time, co-workers can deal with their peers.
I have also worked under more numbers of sorry management that protected themselves. Lowly employees (nor customers) can do much with management.
Which is worse?
I have also worked under more numbers of sorry management that protected themselves. Lowly employees (nor customers) can do much with management.
Which is worse?
I have been to my share of termination cases.
I can assure you, when the company went thru the procedures with a solid case, THE TERMINATION STUCK. Every time.
There have been cases where, if management had followed procedures, MORE TERMINATIONS WOULD HAVE (and should have) STUCK.
What's the union supposed to do when the manager didn't do his homework? Give him a 'do-over'?
I literally had a manager ask me for lenience on a slam dunk termination because he had not followed major procedure - he wanted me to turn my head and let the case proceed.
I reminded him of his lack of leniency in a few cases, and he got the message.
Hey, I don't like working with lazy-a$$ employees, either.
But I like working with sorry a$$ bosses who want you to be their b%&*h even less.
I can assure you, when the company went thru the procedures with a solid case, THE TERMINATION STUCK. Every time.
There have been cases where, if management had followed procedures, MORE TERMINATIONS WOULD HAVE (and should have) STUCK.
What's the union supposed to do when the manager didn't do his homework? Give him a 'do-over'?
I literally had a manager ask me for lenience on a slam dunk termination because he had not followed major procedure - he wanted me to turn my head and let the case proceed.
I reminded him of his lack of leniency in a few cases, and he got the message.
Hey, I don't like working with lazy-a$$ employees, either.
But I like working with sorry a$$ bosses who want you to be their b%&*h even less.
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