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I can't help but wonder if this passage spells the beginning of the end of the Democratic Party as we know it?

If this even remotely smells of back room shenanigans coupled with poor implementation the backlash could be strong enough to shift the balance of power for 50 years.

Agree or don't but what happened tonight may well determine the future of the world.

Thoughts please
 
If the RNC could survive Nixon, Reagan and Bush Jr then the DNC can survive this. Corruption has a remarkable way of surviving.
 
If the RNC could survive Nixon, Reagan and Bush Jr then the DNC can survive this. Corruption has a remarkable way of surviving.


An accurate assessment except for consider what happened with FDR and the Great Depression and the power shift hat laste unti Reagan. Is this such an event, if things go wrong or enough people simply don't want it?
 
I can't help but wonder if this passage spells the beginning of the end of the Democratic Party as we know it?

If this even remotely smells of back room shenanigans coupled with poor implementation the backlash could be strong enough to shift the balance of power for 50 years.

Agree or don't but what happened tonight may well determine the future of the world.

Thoughts please
The Republicans running on a repeal platform will be like running on a platform to repeal medicare and social security. Once people realize what they have gained in this bill, they will not want it taken away.
 
The Republicans running on a repeal platform will be like running on a platform to repeal medicare and social security. Once people realize what they have gained in this bill, they will not want it taken away.

Well I don't know of ANY situation that takes diecisions out of the hand of the people and puts them in the hands of a Government drone can be viewed as a gain.

Which is not really my point.

The majority of the voters according to the polls I've seen DON'T want what's on the table currently

What happens if it comes out that there was all manner of shenigans and back room deals to secure the required votes?

I think we are due for a wholesale turnover in Congress and frankly I don't think certain Republicans will be immune from the wrath of the voters. This whole bill and underlying political side show has left a certain stench to it.

I think the voters have had enough. We have a grass routes "Tea Party" movement that has some traction and that usually isn't a good thing if you occupy office at the time.

Depending upon what transpires over then next few months leading up to the 2010 elections may well determine the future of this country. This is serious stuff as we are on the verge of losing our bond rating as the debt ballons to a nearly unsustainable level. The health care legislation may well determine whether we drift towards a country with a marginal tax rate close to 60 % or a country with a far lower marginal tax rate. near our current 39%.

There is a lot of information out there on the effect of debt and rates of taxation. Most of them agree when the marginal tax rate rises above 55%, things like unemployment rise, economic growth can stagnate. We are under this regime heading for an economic "moment of clarity" where it becomes clear to the man on the street that we are over taxed & over leveraged debt wise and something has to give.
 
How long before Nobama and his gang of cut-throats take over auto-insurance. My game plan is to not carry auto insurance, pay the "Imposed" federal fine, then if and when I do get involved in an accident, I will purchase insurance and tell them to fix my car ! :unsure:
 
The Republicans running on a repeal platform will be like running on a platform to repeal medicare and social security. Once people realize what they have gained in this bill, they will not want it taken away.

You better start reading the details .
Research how the model for US HC reform (Mass) is tanking the states economy and this will bankrupt the US.
After premiums start going trough the roof as they have in Mass I think you will eat your words.
Nancy said this is the bill to kick in the door......I suggest you look up the entire bill and read some of the reg's.....there is all kinds of reg's not in the bill but passed by the bill that, like Nancy said....."we have to pass it first , so you can see whats inside it"....yeah...

Cool beans Tech......
 
Great idea. Hope you don't get into an accident/subsequently sued. 🙄

O.K. Let's try this ! I'm a 19 y.o. making minimum wage at the BK lounge. Now Obama is forcing me to buy health insurance @ a cost of $2500.00 a year. But wait, the fine Obama is imposing is only $900.00 ? I think what I'll do is just pay the fine, then if I do get sick, buy Obama-care TM, since they have to cover pre-existing conditions, there-by saving money and not paying into "The Insurance Pool", which supposedly will drive down cost !

Yeah......................that's gonna work ! :blink:
 
If the RNC could survive Nixon, Reagan and Bush Jr then the DNC can survive this. Corruption has a remarkable way of surviving.


Reagan had some preety high approval ratings so he did not do the sort of damage to the GOP like Nixon and junior did.
 
Reagan had some preety high approval ratings so he did not do the sort of damage to the GOP like Nixon and junior did.

Did Jr actually do what the left claimed or did America buy into a progressive sales campaign?
 
I think the damage done by Reagan was more long term such as getting much closer to the religious right and the deficit he started to run up.

Bush Jr did exactly what he was accused of doing. He willfully lied to get us into a war with Iraq with no forethought as to how it would end. He neglected Afghanistan to the point where it will take us much longer to get that mess settled and he ran up the deficit over 4$4 trillion dollars. Were it not for him, Obama would probably not be in office.
 

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