Health Care

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

 

But Hannitty, O'Rielly and Rush wouldn't know that because they aren't Veterans or Public Employees. Thanks. The fight should be for us to get that stuff back, not take it away from our peers. Amazing how he can cite that article and come away with that comment. I guess he missed this one;
 
"In state after state, politicians are following the Rhode Island playbook, using scare tactics and lavishly funded PR campaigns to cast teachers, firefighters and cops – not bankers – as the budget-devouring boogeymen responsible for the mounting fiscal problems of America's states and cities."
 
And this:
 
There's $2.6 trillion in state pension money under management in America, and there are a lot of fingers in that pie. Any attempt to make a neat Aesop narrative about what's wrong with the system would inevitably be an oversimplification. But in this hugely contentious, often overheated national controversy – which at times has pitted private-sector workers who've mostly lost their benefits already against public-sector workers who are merely about to lose them – two key angles have gone largely unreported. Namely: who got us into this mess, and who's now being paid to get us out of it."
 
All I can say is he should change the name from La Li to Baaaa, Baaaa. He is doing exactly what his masters want. Blaming other victims. One week its Welfare Mothers, next its Public Workers, while he does nothing as the Company and the rich take away everything he worked for.
 
Was a good article though, for that I'm thankful.

 

Despite what you think I do not listen to Rush or Hannitty. I do not even know who O'Rielly is. If you are implying we think the same maybe I should listen to them. The point I was trying to make is that blue states use public UNIONS as a means of self funding. That is why they have bloated salaries and numbers. I made this map to help dummy it down for you so that you can understand. Your welcome.
 
If you think there is nothing wrong with a woman popping out 14 kids and having the tax payers support her and them,  If you think there is nothing wrong with massive amounts of people getting on disability because they can no longer abuse the welfare system, if you think there is nothing wrong with the Democratic Party inflating government salaries and numbers for self funding at the tax payers expense YOUR the sheep.
 
Baaaa Baaaa out.
 
Statistics:
79 Percent of Government state workers [SIZE=11pt]receive[/SIZE] Pension compared to 20 percent in the private sector.
80 Percent of state and local Government workers have healthcare and are paying less for coverage than private sector.
 
Example of a bloated pension of a state employee from New York
http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/story/19512638/drew-peterson-may-lose-79k-annual-pension
 
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/21/private-vs-public-sector-pay/?_r=0

Michael New York
In the public sector employee salaries and benefits are political decisions which are paid for by taxes and have very little basis in economic reality.In private industry employee costs must be carefully monitored or the business enterprise will collapse. Its nice that elected officials are able to grant generous benefits and stick others with the financial consequences.

 

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/fourth-graders-pro-gay-marriage-essay-goes-viral-163213351--abc-news-topstories.html
 
It is nice to know that our socialist ran schools are championing liberal agendas to our children. If this child were to write an essay about why he was against gay marriage I am sure the school would try to "correct" him. When did fourth graders become experts on relationships, marriages, and morality?
 
"This fourth grader is echoing what a majority of Americans of all ages now feel, and perfectly represents the respect for diversity that this student's generation is learning," Wilson Cruz, a GLAAD (GLAAD, an organization that supports equality for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people) spokesperson, told ABCNews.com.
 
That quote just says it all doesn’t it?
 
 
 
http://www.sacbee.com/2013/04/19/5356780/some-california-leaders-want-low.html
http://www.medicaldaily.com/articles/14786/20130421/california-lawmakers-propose-basic-health-coverage-immigrants.htm
 
News so unbelievably stupid I had to post it twice. The leaders of the cesspool liberal capitol of the United States California now want to provide low cost health care for "undocumented workers" (because using the term illegal goes against the liberal agenda).
 
Apparently they have saved money by EXPANDING the Medi-Cal program.
 
California Senate Pro Tem Darrel Steinberg said he supported the initiative, which would be funded by an estimated $700 million in county savings from the expansion of the Medi-Cal program.
 
How do you save money by EXPANDING a program? Just another example of a liberal agenda to have American citizens support an illegal population.
 
If any state knows how to handle money it is the great state of California (San Bernardino, Stockton, Mammoth Lakes = bankrupt).
 
Are you tired of the liberals manipulating your kids and taking money out of your pocket to buy votes?

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Question:

Who pays for any person who walks into an emergency room with no health insurance? It does not matter whether they have valid documents or not because in this country we do not send them away to die on the streets like North Korea.

So Fa La La Le Li Lo, who pays now?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCUc1f8x3r4

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pyAeGJIfDQ

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Instead of answering the question about who pays for the health care of those without insurance, you post some straw man video.

Try to focus.

Who pays for the health care of of people without insurance now?

 

[MCI transplant]

Then you will stand alone.

No he won't Tree!---- I'll stand next to him, and thousands others like me!

 

[2ndGENAMT]

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL30023.pdf

Civil Service Retirement System seems to be underfunded!

"The cost of the retirement and disability benefits earned by employees covered by CSRS, on the other hand, are not fully funded by agency and employee contributions and interest income. The federal government therefore makes supplemental payments each year into the civil service trust fund on behalf of employees covered by CSRS. Even with these additional payments into the trust fund, however, CSRS pensions are not fully pre-funded."

FERS is fully funded if everything economically is just right...

"If the assumptions underlying these cost estimates prove to be accurate, FERS will be “fully funded.”16"

16 If the amount set aside each year proves to be insufficient (due to inaccurate assumptions about pay raises, interest rates, the rate of inflation, or other variables) the shortfall would be made up from the general revenues of the U.S. Treasury. See 5 U.S.C. §8423(a)(4).

Maybe FERS will work but looking at the Federal budget deficits and our Debt the legislation coming out of D.C. For the last 30 yrs or so doesn't reflect this!

If legislation doesn't work out as planned they defer to the Treasury!!!!

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Question:
 
Who pays for any person who walks into an emergency room with no health insurance? It does not matter whether they have valid documents or not because in this country we do not send them away to die on the streets like North Korea.
 
So Fa La La Le Li Lo, who pays now?

 
So are you saying your'e totally OK with the US citizens and US insurance companies having to bear the cost of illegal immigrants healthcare while they contribute nothing?
You're OK with giving illegal immigrants even further access to US tax dollars?
Do you think the American Taxpayer should bear the cost of illegals having anchor babies?
 
Do you know how many hospitals illegal immigrants have bankrupted?
http://www.examiner.com/article/illegal-aliens-cost-california-hospitals-more-than-1-billion-annually
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-children-of-illegal-aliens-anchor-babies-have-bankrupted-the-state-of-california
http://unclesamsamerica.blogspot.com/2005/05/77-hospitals-file-bankruptcy-due-to.html
http://www.cis.org/feere/hospitals
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/immigration/item/2070-illegal-immigrants-overrun-arizonas-emergency-rooms
http://www.vdare.com/articles/new-york-times-discovers-mass-immigrations-impact-on-us-hospitals
http://www.jpands.org/vol10no1/cosman.pdf
 
 
Maricopa County 
Financial problems were the single most common reason for the closure of 23 California hospitals between 1995 and 2000.. 
Emergency room at Kenneth Hall is now closed 
 
In its application to close the hospital, the foundation cited $5.5 million in yearly losses. Services had been reduced to an emergency room and 39 mental health beds. 
To control costs and for a host of other reasons there has been a wave of mergers in the healthcare system of hospitals with at least a fighting chance of survival. The last two were Lenox Hill and Long Island College Hospital. The rest are pretty much on their own. 
 
Sadly what we are seeing is the slow death of charity care/last resort hospitals. Providing such care was never an easy task but with insurance companies and federal programs cutting reimbursement rates most of these places are bleeding red ink. Worse for them illegal alien population not insured, and not provided with government funds.Illegals are using the ER for all their medical needs. They know all care will be free, no matter how much it costs, the illegals on their part never make any effort to pay their hospital bills, in doing so they would admit they owe the money. Illegals provide false information, they lie about who they are and where they live. Interesting on the weekends, illegals come in drunk, calling employees racist, families think the nurse is suppose to stop caring for all other patients and focus on the illegal, many,many drunken illegals do threaten to call La Raza, the ACLU, if their demands are not met. The staff knows they are illegal on the hospital admit form, they have limited information, no ss numbers, etc,etc, they make dr's work for free, they bill separate so illegals who demand wages for their work, have no problems not paying the dr for his/her work. When you work in an ER you see this every weekend. Translators alone cost money, hospitals must use Professional Translators, medical privacy laws, mandate this.How many child births have the tax payers had to pay for ? Each birth cost tax payers thousands and illegals do not pay for any child birth. This is why there are more births of hispanics because they do not have to pay for medical care.It is all free of charge. Once you work in a hospital you understand how much money is lost because of illegals.Zero hospitals, that's the best laugh I had this year, zero, right..
 

stjames1_53
they are criminals being treated as citizens. they break our laws and get rewarded, while we suffer under the cost of keeping them healthy without them ever getting a bill. It would be different if they came through the door legally, but that isn't the case. The illegals bleed the system dry without replacing what they use up. In that regard, the monies needed to maintain the health for our own poor is being ignored and now we are being required to pay for illegal and criminal activity. This is a prime example of socialism at work and the end result is clear. Socialism only works while there is money to pay for it.

 
You asked who pays for it? The American citizen; and dearly.
 
Why don't you move out of cartoonville and join us here in the real world Glenn Quagmire.

 

[Bob Owens]

 
 

Despite what you think I do not listen to Rush or Hannitty. I do not even know who O'Rielly is. If you are implying we think the same maybe I should listen to them. The point I was trying to make is that blue states use public UNIONS as a means of self funding. That is why they have bloated salaries and numbers. I made this map to help dummy it down for you so that you can understand. Your welcome.
 
If you think there is nothing wrong with a woman popping out 14 kids and having the tax payers support her and them,  If you think there is nothing wrong with massive amounts of people getting on disability because they can no longer abuse the welfare system, if you think there is nothing wrong with the Democratic Party inflating government salaries and numbers for self funding at the tax payers expense YOUR the sheep.
 
Baaaa Baaaa out.
 
Statistics:
79 Percent of Government state workers [SIZE=11pt]receive[/SIZE] Pension compared to 20 percent in the private sector.
80 Percent of state and local Government workers have healthcare and are paying less for coverage than private sector.
 

The point is that you are going after poor people who may get millions when you add it all up, pretty much all of which goes right back into our economy to provide for basic necessities, other working class people and illegal aliens, while ignoring the fat cats who are stealing billions and ferreting that money out of this country, building factories with tax incentives that your higher taxes provide overseas to take even more jobs out of this country. You didn't lose your job because of some welfare mother, public worker or illegal alien, you lost it because the Fat cats busted your union, froze your pension and outsourced your job. they outsourced to people who are paid so little that they will likely work full time but still need public assistance to get by. You seem to forget that many people on government assistance work for a living.  You are blaming the wrong people and chasing pennies while the fat cats steal our dollars by the billions.

 

[Ms Tree]

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/fourth-graders-pro-gay-marriage-essay-goes-viral-163213351--abc-news-topstories.html

 
It is nice to know that our socialist ran schools are championing liberal agendas to our children. If this child were to write an essay about why he was against gay marriage I am sure the school would try to "correct" him. When did fourth graders become experts on relationships, marriages, and morality?
 
"This fourth grader is echoing what a majority of Americans of all ages now feel, and perfectly represents the respect for diversity that this student's generation is learning," Wilson Cruz, a GLAAD (GLAAD, an organization that supports equality for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people) spokesperson, told ABCNews.com.
 
That quote just says it all doesnt it?
 
 
 
http://www.sacbee.com/2013/04/19/5356780/some-california-leaders-want-low.html
http://www.medicaldaily.com/articles/14786/20130421/california-lawmakers-propose-basic-health-coverage-immigrants.htm
 
News so unbelievably stupid I had to post it twice. The leaders of the cesspool liberal capitol of the United States California now want to provide low cost health care for "undocumented workers" (because using the term illegal goes against the liberal agenda).
 
Apparently they have saved money by EXPANDING the Medi-Cal program.
 
California Senate Pro Tem Darrel Steinberg said he supported the initiative, which would be funded by an estimated $700 million in county savings from the expansion of the Medi-Cal program.
 
How do you save money by EXPANDING a program? Just another example of a liberal agenda to have American citizens support an illegal population.
 
If any state knows how to handle money it is the great state of California (San Bernardino, Stockton, Mammoth Lakes = bankrupt).
 
Are you tired of the liberals manipulating your kids and taking money out of your pocket to buy votes?

13 states have legalized same sex marriwge with 2 more on the way. Seems like the statement is right.

You save money because prevenataive care is cheaper than ER care

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

So are you saying your'e totally OK with the US citizens and US insurance companies having to bear the cost of illegal immigrants healthcare while they contribute nothing?
You're OK with giving illegal immigrants even further access to US tax dollars?
Do you think the American Taxpayer should bear the cost of illegals having anchor babies?

Show me where I said I was ok with us paying while they do not contribute. You seem to want them to not be part of anything. I think they should pay taxes and be required to have drivers licenses, car and health insurance. Then they would be contributing to society.

You asked who pays for it? The American citizen; and dearly.
 

So you are content to keep up it that way? Or would you turn them away from the hospital ER?

Why don't you move out of cartoonville and join us here in the real world Glenn Quagmire.

The real world is where I live. You seem to live in one where you think 10 million people are going away. Maybe you can just build more jails and buy more pink jump suits and solve the problem that way.

Where did your education grant come from when you were laid off? Did you use a government office to apply?

 

[Kev3188]

The point is that you are going after poor people who may get millions when you add it all up, pretty much all of which goes right back into our economy...

 
Food stamps/WIC have one of the highest multipliers out there...

 

[Ms Tree]

No he won't Tree!---- I'll stand next to him, and thousands others like me!

That is not what I meant. He said he would stand with any politician who would sbrink gov snd spending. No such poltician exists. He and you and the thousands will stand alone.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

The point is that you are going after poor people who may get millions when you add it all up, pretty much all of which goes right back into our economy to provide for basic necessities, other working class people and illegal aliens, while ignoring the fat cats who are stealing billions and ferreting that money out of this country, building factories with tax incentives that your higher taxes provide overseas to take even more jobs out of this country. You didn't lose your job because of some welfare mother, public worker or illegal alien, you lost it because the Fat cats busted your union, froze your pension and outsourced your job. they outsourced to people who are paid so little that they will likely work full time but still need public assistance to get by. You seem to forget that many people on government assistance work for a living.  You are blaming the wrong people and chasing pennies while the fat cats steal our dollars by the billions.

Millions? Try Billions Bob. Every year.
 
Some estimates say illegal aliens send as much as 120 billion dollars out of the country each year to their country of origin. So much for your " pretty much all of which goes right back into our economy to provide for basic necessities" theory.
 
They did not outsource my job Bob. American Airlines employees are still doing it. I lost my job because the 514 UNION officers cut an under the table deal.
 
The working poor is not who I am talking about anyway and I think you know that. You're playing dumb to push your agenda because you don't have anything. Typical liberal tactic, if you don't have anything make something up or spin spin spin. I do not chastise people that work a full time job and still cannot make a living. However, I find very few of those people trying to change their situation either.
 
I agree with you about companies using American taxpayer dollars to move factories overseas. We have discussed this before and my opinion has not changed.