Hi Ho its off to Jail they go

[delldude]

Stephen "Randy" Canale, general chairman of the machinists' union branch that represents US Airways baggage handlers, said the union "does not advocate or condone violence." However, he said, "we discourage any rush to judgment based on incomplete accounts."

Randy must read you guys posts......

 

[PHL]

corporations are not held to the same standards as a labor union.

private corporations maybe, but i would beg to differ on your argument for publicly traded companies. You can be sure that they have their own compliance issues to deal with.

 

[700UW]

700UW,

C'mon funds can be funneled through AGC's and higher levels as "reimbursable Business Expenses" Unless a goverment agency does a complete anal probe of the IAM it would be near impossible to determine

Apparently you do not know about the LMRDA.

Every expense paid to the anyone claiming them must be for union business and accompianed by the original reciept, ie. Hotel Bills, rental cars, per diem etc.. Every single buiness expense has to be reported and accounted for and reported under the LMRDA. The IAM has been audited for the past several years at all levels by an independant accouting firm requested from the dues objectors, so every "i" must be dotted and every "T" crossed and the results are sent to the IAM, the dues objectors and the Department Of Labor.

 

[700UW]

Just disregard proven practices, no company, public or private, before Sarbanes-Oxley which Enron was before or after Sarbanes-Oxley is held to the same financial reporting standards as a labor union.

The ibt money was from the pension funds, not the general treasury.

Go educate yourself on LMRDA and LM2, LM990s and you will see a vast differance.

For example US Airways is a publically traded company the paid a mulitmillion dollar penalty to Boeing for airplane orders that were cancelled yet no where on any of US 10K could the dollar amount be singled out as a payment to boeing, that could not happen at a labor union.

Stick to things you know Bob, and the LMRDA is not one of those things.

 

[delldude]

Look I'm not gonna debate this ad nauseum with you. We had financial safeguards in place and still got Enron.

yep..and it was management,not union who decieved and betrayed their employees. 😉

just like some other company I know of.

 

[hp_fa]

Every penny a union spends is accounted for under the Landrum-Giffith Act, every union has to file a LM-2 with DOL, corporations are not held to the same standards as a labor union.

That is a non-denial denial.

Any insurer of the union is likely not covered under the Act, especially when it deals with the issues dealing with potentially paying out claims or judgments. Notice I am not saying money-laundering. The insurer itself has an arms-length vested interest in keeping any and all criminal charges from being proven because criminal convictions would be admissible in any civil matter raised in connection with the events that occurred that day.

Of course the insurer will likely be evaluating the premiums it collects from the Union for future insurance policys based upon it's claim experience and expenditures.

 

[traderjake]

all hearsay unless you were in the room.....

and yes people have been terminated on hearsay alone.

Terminated and arrested on hearsay?

The guys they beat up will be glad to know that their injuries are just hearsay.

 

[D M G]

all hearsay unless you were in the room.....

I'd call it circumstantial. Some people have also gotten information directly from FSA that were present in the room, which isn't hearsay either.

Now the heat gets turned up quite a few notches. Face a trial on charges of aggravated assault, simple assault, terroristic threats, conspiracy, and theft, or strike a plea to avoid possible jail time. It's going to be a no brainer for a few of these guys.

I don't think the International or DL141 will be contributing to the Defense fund for the 22, but I hope someones watching the cookie jar at the Local.

 

[FWAAA]

all hearsay unless you were in the room.....

and yes people have been terminated on hearsay alone.

Hearsay isn't a real complicated legal concept, but you manage to get it completely wrong anyway.

Hearsay is testimony by one person of what another person SAID, not testimony by one person of what another person DID.

You could stand to benefit from a little more education.

Nearly every criminal conviction is based on testimony by eyewitnesses of what the defendant DID. Very few criminal convictions are based on testimony by witnesses of what the defendant SAID.

 

[IAM1776PHL]

but I hope someones watching the cookie jar at the Local.

I think the 22 are watching the cookie jar

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Great news, prosecute these thugs to the fullest extent of the law, and do the same to the union. IAM is responsible for these goons, and no spin that sock puppet can put out will change that.

For the union apologists, here is the deal, you assault people, you go to jail, being in a union doesn't change that reality. Jimmy Hoffa and knuckle breaking goombah's went out of style decades ago. If a union has to indimidate someone physically to get their way, then maybe they don't have such a good product?

Hearsay? LOL

Yeah, those evil TWU guys, they attacked the IAM by slamming their faces into the fists of the angelic IAM guys, that's it, that's the ticket! The IAM just wanted to welcome the TWU guys and conduct bible studies and such, sure, that's it. Those crafty TWU guys, breaking chairs over themselves and going in outnumbered. 😀

 

[EricLv2Fish]

Hearsay? LOL

Yeah, those evil TWU guys, they attacked the IAM by slamming their faces into the fists of the angelic IAM guys, that's it, that's the ticket! The IAM just wanted to welcome the TWU guys and conduct bible studies and such, sure, that's it. Those crafty TWU guys, breaking chairs over themselves and going in outnumbered. 😀

Charges are not usually filed unless the prosecuter feels he/she has a strong case. That being said not everyone prosecuted is found guilty. Being found not guilty doesn't necessarily mean you are innocent...may mean the prosecution didn't build a convincing case. While it looks very bad for the 22, the legal system will take its course. It will be very interesting to see how it unfolds.

 

[delldude]

Hearsay isn't a real complicated legal concept, but you manage to get it completely wrong anyway.

Hearsay is testimony by one person of what another person SAID, not testimony by one person of what another person DID.

You could stand to benefit from a little more education ever hear of the foo bird dude?? .

Nearly every criminal conviction is based on testimony by eyewitnesses of what the defendant DID. Very few criminal convictions are based on testimony by witnesses of what the defendant SAID.

Hearsay is "second-hand" information. It occurs when a witness testifies NOT about something they personally saw or heard, but testifies about something someone else told them or said they saw.

Care must be taken to avoid hearsay from consisting of rumor, gossip, or scuttlebutt.

yall's guilty in this court....

 

[pitguy]

> From the Philadelphia Inquirer
> http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/business/14651197.htm
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>
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> Posted on Wed, May. 24, 2006
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>
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> 22 machinists charged in Feb. airport brawl
>
> By Jane M. Von Bergen
> Inquirer Staff Writer
> Warrants were issued Monday for the arrests of 22 members of the
International Association of Machinists, who are accused of aggravated and
simple assault, conspiracy, making terroristic threats, and theft in
connection with a Feb. 8 brawl at the Philadelphia Airport Marriott Hotel.
>
> The union members, including three officers, are accused of assaulting
organizers from a rival union, the Transport Workers Union.
>
> Ten of those charged turned themselves in yesterday and the rest will
surrender on Tuesday, said Charles Ehrlich, the prosecutor who heads the
municipal courts unit.
>
> Stephen "Randy" Canale, general chairman of the machinists' union branch
that represents US Airways baggage handlers, said the union "does not
advocate or condone violence." However, he said, "we discourage any rush to
judgment based on incomplete accounts."
>
> The unions were in competition to represent baggage handlers and
fleet-service workers at US Airways, which merged last year with America
West Airlines. Since then, the unions have agreed that the machinists' union
will represent all the baggage handlers.
>
> The machinists' union had represented US Airways' baggage handlers, the
TWU America West's.
>
> "It's a sad chapter in the history of the IAM," said David Rosen, the
Transport Workers Union's general counsel. "If they are guilty, they don't
belong in the labor movement or as airline employees."
>
> The three union officers for whom warrants have been issued are Robert
Boland, local president of IAM Local Lodge 1776 in Philadelphia; Anthony
Armidio, assistant general chairman; and Vincent Cerasso, international
representative.
>
> On Feb. 8, three men identifying themselves as machinists' union officials
warned five TWU organizers to leave the hotel and the city, according to the
arrest warrants issued Monday.
>
> A few minutes later, about 25 men entered the room and began throwing
chairs, glasses, tables - and punches - according to a police affidavit. Two
of the TWU organizers were beaten badly enough that they went by ambulance
to Methodist Hospital.
>
> Hotel videotape captured the men in the hotel corridors, but not what
happened inside the meeting room. US Airways officials were able to identify
all those on tape, police said
>
> Shortly after the incident, US Airways fired the 22 men. The machinists'
union responded by demanding arbitration for all the men and by filing a
federal lawsuit that accused US Airways of trying to systematically
eliminate union representation at US Airways facilities at Philadelphia
International Airport.
>
> The suit said the machinists' union members acted in self-defense. US
Airways said the suit had no merit.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Contact staff writer Jane M. Von Bergen at 215-854-2769 or
jvonbergen@phillynews.com.
>
>

 

[PITbull]

Charges are not usually filed unless the prosecuter feels he/she has a strong case. That being said not everyone prosecuted is found guilty. Being found not guilty doesn't necessarily mean you are innocent...may mean the prosecution didn't build a convincing case. While it looks very bad for the 22, the legal system will take its course. It will be very interesting to see how it unfolds.

That is not necessarily true...just look at the Duke University case. The prosecutor is inept. He turned that case into a discrimination case vs. a rape case because it is blatantly obvious from what has been reported by both sides that the prosecution does not have enough evidence to convict even one of those players who have been indicted.

He ended up winning his election by a slim margin, and I speculate most of that win had to do with those voters who wanted to see some white rich kids prosecuted to satisfy their own race/class prejuduce.