How much do you love LOA 93?

[USA320Pilot]

767jetz,

You have no idea what you are talking about and are clueless. The EC has not passed the Nicolau Award on to the Company and it appears as of now they have no intention to do so. And, if the AWA MEC continues to thumb their noses at the EC, the Rice Committee, and Herndon's resolutons, the AWA pilots will continue to dig a path of destruction and could give the company the motivation to provide a single contract with single operations to the East pilots.

The East pilots can stop the Nicolau Award from being implemented, and if for some reason the Award is passed onto the Company, can decertify ALPA. And, if US Airways ever merges with United or any otehr carrier the East pilots can take the same sort of actions with them into any future merger.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[AAAPOS]

USA320,

You give me a good laugh everytime I read your posts. All I can picture in my head is that Iraqi Minister of Information.

 

[nostradamus]

USA320,

You give me a good laugh everytime I read your posts. All I can picture in my head is that Iraqi Minister of Information.

Did you ever think about joining a debate team with your constant stream of good points and information?

 

[Junebug172]

Did you ever think about joining a debate team with your constant stream of good points and information?

Hey Mr. Pot, Kettle called and said you were black.

Nostadamus talking

 

[nostradamus]

Hey Mr. Pot, Kettle called and said you were black.

What is your date of hire with America West Airlines?

 

[Junebug172]

What is your date of hire with America West Airlines?

8/1/83

My turn.

Why do you work so hard at pretending to be a pilot?

 

[nostradamus]

8/1/83

My turn.

Why do you work so hard at pretending to be a pilot?

Your intelligence and maturity on display via this message board, does not match the tenure that you claim.

"Commencing service on August 1, 1983, America West Airlines grew to become the eighth largest carrier in the United States. "

 

[Junebug172]

Your intelligence and maturity on display via this message board, does not match the tenure that you claim.

"Commencing service on August 1, 1983, America West Airlines grew to become the eighth largest carrier in the United States. "

Hmmm, I'm being judged by a wanna-be.

How will I ever be able to sleep tonight.

Good catch on the date. At least I know you're an AWA fan.

 

[nostradamus]

Good catch on the date. At least I know you're an AWA fan.

Fish in a barrel.

 

[ClueByFour]

The EC has not passed the Nicolau Award on to the Company and it appears as of now they have no intention to do so.

That's not what they said. Shall I dig up your posts about the 13-1 vote and show you how very wrong your line of thinking on this is?

And, if the AWA MEC continues to thumb their noses at the EC, the Rice Committee, and Herndon's resolutons, the AWA pilots will continue to dig a path of destruction and could give the company the motivation to provide a single contract with single operations to the East pilots.

How does "a" beget "b" in that scenario. The company has already stated that you won't be getting equal pay absent a single contract. This "separate contract" nonsense is a figment of a very active imagination on the East MEC's part.

The East pilots can stop the Nicolau Award from being implemented,

True, and enjoy LOA 93 forever.

and if for some reason the Award is passed onto the Company, can decertify ALPA.

Which won't do a thing to prevent it's implementation or the east living under LOA 93 forever. Those are the two outcomes, no amount of chest-thumping from the almighty AAA MEC is going to change them.

And, if US Airways ever merges with United or any otehr carrier the East pilots can take the same sort of actions with them into any future merger.

It's a forgone conclusion that the Nicolau list will form the basis in any future mergers. Bank it.

I'm curious as to who you think you are fooling by telling the West guys their MEC is not in control? They are in the driver's seat and own the car at this point.

 

[Mr Furlough]

That's not what they said. Shall I dig up your posts about the 13-1 vote and show you how very wrong your line of thinking on this is?
How does "a" beget "b" in that scenario. The company has already stated that you won't be getting equal pay absent a single contract. This "separate contract" nonsense is a figment of a very active imagination on the East MEC's part.
True, and enjoy LOA 93 forever.
Which won't do a thing to prevent it's implementation or the east living under LOA 93 forever. Those are the two outcomes, no amount of chest-thumping from the almighty AAA MEC is going to change them.
It's a forgone conclusion that the Nicolau list will form the basis in any future mergers. Bank it.

I'm curious as to who you think you are fooling by telling the West guys their MEC is not in control? They are in the driver's seat and own the car at this point.

To me, your post sounds a bit high on the hog. Listen, the fact that we are at an impasse is no laughing matter for either group. Do you really expect Doug to give you guys any kind of advancements with LOA 93 alive and well in the east? I don't know, I don't know. I'm thinking he will say to the Pilots in the West "look-we have separate ops, we have a much lower pay scale in the east, and it's not like the Western operation is knocking it out of the park". SO lets just stay pat with the pay scales out here boys and girls-hey at least I'm not bringing you down to east wages! Nice guy that he is.

You see, you live with the threat that management will push your wages toward ours-and we are willing to keep these wages into the darkest corner of hell in order to fight for our rightful place in this merger. People on this forum like to call it threats, or keeping ALPA hostage. Nice try. I prefer to look at it as fighting for what we have so clearly earned. Longevity counts in a seniority based system-that's the issue.

You, and many other westies just love to throw out the ol' "hope you like living under LOA93" BS. All the while you yourselves are looking right down the barrel of LOA 93.

 

[EastUS]

While you guys are living under LOA93, look what you're missing out on:

The following is the approximate economic gain that the average East pilot would have received under management’s first proposal:

Captain: $28,975
First Officer: $15,766
These figures include an additional 10 days of vacation for pilots at the top of the accrual scale. Of course, this does not include the substantially improved work rules East pilots would gain, as well as full pay for deadheads, much improved pairing constructions rules, more golden days, 12 to 13 total days off for reserve pilots, etc.

To “pay it forward,â€￾ if we could have generated a joint contract by December 2007 prior to the East meltdown, and the East continues down the path of separate operations with no gain likely until at least two years past their amendable date of December 2009, that means the East MEC have likely forfeited the following amounts on behalf of their pilots:

Captain: $115,900
First Officer: $63,064
These total figures do not include the higher rates to achieve ratification or any outlying year increases, nor do they include any increased payments to the DC retirement plan

Hmmm....$115,900 to keep the St Nic atrocity from ever happening?....Where do I send the check?

PS: What ever happened to all the initially touted AWA "Righteous Position" and imaginary moral high ground?...Sounds like all the west is left with these days is "LOA 93!!"..."Give us your seats or lose pay!!"...and/or: "We're serious dammit!!..We're gonna...well..ummm....?"..."Well..at least you guys won't get paid much if you don't toss your years of service overboard,,Nyaah Nyaah!". I find it sad commentary on the AWA "Righteous Position" that not so much as a single west poster here isn't too ashamed to actually note even their approximate DOH.

 

[767jetz]

You have no idea what you are talking about

No, I think it is you who does not know what he is talking about. ALPA will have a much bigger problem if they don't forward the list than if they do. You can count on it.

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong so often about so many things?

The East pilots can stop the Nicolau Award from being implemented, and if for some reason the Award is passed onto the Company, can decertify ALPA.

Well then, you better get busy with the decertification. It's not a matter of IF, it's only a matter of WHEN, and time is running short. Just remember that decertifying leaves your group very vulnerable, and legally it does nothing to vacate the Nicolau award. The next group that represents you will be stuck with it. Get this through your stubborn mind... DOH will NEVER happen for you guys... EVER.

And, if US Airways ever merges with United or any otehr carrier the East pilots can take the same sort of actions with them into any future merger.

That's fine. You will then stuck with your pitiful pay rates and work rules, flying small airplanes for eternity, and will never see the inside of anyone's 747's or 777's.

But here are some other potential outcomes to consider... Do you think there is a CEO out there that wants to touch USAirways after seeing the civil war you guys are creating?? It just isn't going to happen.

If anyone considers buying USAirways, did you ever consider that a resolved seniority integration and single operation would be a pre-condition of the sale? That would mean your CEO would have to fix this mess before he sees a dime of any future transaction. So by following through on your "separate ops forever" threat, you are excluding yourselves from any future industry consolidation.

Additionally, as you burn down the place trying to overturn a legally binding arbitration, you put your airline in jeopardy of BK #3, which would mean that any buyer could insist on a prenuptual agreement before a purchase, or just that you give up any contractual provisions like TWA did BEFORE AMR bought them. Absent that, liquidation and fragmentation is a real probability.

Go ahead and spout off some more about how I don't know what I'm talking about. Whatever you say, I still know more than you think. And the person I spoke with last week for 4 hours on my jumpseat had many interesting facts to share about your MEC and about you personally. You recently proclaimed that you had other options so that you can retire before age 60. I strongly suggest you start to pursue that avenue.

Peace...

767jetz 😉

 

[Junebug172]

Hmmm....$115,900 to keep the St Nic atrocity from ever happening?....Where do I send the check?

Wow, I wish I had that kind of money to throw around like you do.

I'm pretty sure most of your cohorts don't, especially minus their pensions.

 

[EastUS]

Wow, I wish I had that kind of money to throw around like you do.

I'm pretty sure most of your cohorts don't, especially minus their pensions.

So...your "point" equates to the idea that everyone out here should just surrender on the Nic Fiasco just to get a few short term bucks? Good luck with that fantasy. Sigh....I'm almost starting to miss the "AWA Righteous Position" BS

I do find it truly pathetic that none of you seems the least bit inclined to "own up" as to when you actually started flying with AWA. It's understandable though. Barring one's being a true sociopath....explorations into even hypocritical extremes tend to have some limits.