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Gents and gals,

The link IBEW Q & A Cliff Notes is an objective look at the questions regarding fleet service issues: Pension, election process, IBEW info.

I think more informed discussion can follow once this additional information is presented.
Copy, post, & distribute it everywhere.

regards,
 
Thanks ,
Already on its way to PHL...How long before ''700'' chimes in.

perserverance
 
$11.30 a month is not bad for union representation compared to the 50 bucks a month for the worthless iam
 
$11.30 a month is not bad for union representation compared to the 50 bucks a month for the worthless iam
To clarify, the $11.30 is the portion of your dues that goes towards your IBEW pension.

Remember, the IAM spends your dues money on conventions, booze, political activities, officer salaries. None of your dues going into the IAM is set aside for your benefits. Regardless of your employer pension, a portion of your IBEW dues would go towards your pension, on top of your company retirement options as spelled out in your contract.

regards,
 
its too bad pi$$mont dont have any unions to rep the fleet ud be amazed at the #### goes on and on day after day and if there were a union to rep fleet i wouldnt want it to be the iam after what they did to the 30 citiesin the 2nd ch11
 
Does a union need 50%+1 of the craft to be certified?
No. Oftentimes, unions under the Railway Labor Act [RLA] win with less than 50% of the vote. The law does not require a union to get 50%+1 of the craft to vote for it. Remember, the IAM received less than 22% of the vote from those eligible to vote, and still ended up being certified on the east. The IBT received less than 50% in 1989 and still won on the old USair property.

Interesting misinformation, the IBT was decertified in 1989 after the merger, making things up that did not happen?

Also if you vote out the IAM you will not be eligble for future pension contributions, go read the plan summary.

Come on timmy, you must do your homework.
 
Who had 11:19 on the block pool....
''700'' move on..
Wait put up your 3 lines of propaganda and then move on...IAM,IAM,IAM.
I have to tell you at some point...''It's better to be thought a fool than to
open your mouth and prove everybody right''..... let me guess ahead of time..
''Who are you ?''
''Do you work at Usair ?''
''Is this your battle ?''
*no comment*...I hate Tim...

NO Thank You
 
Interesting misinformation, the IBT was decertified in 1989 after the merger, making things that did not happen?

Also if you vote out the IAM you will not be eligble for future pension contributions, go read the plan summary.

Come on timmy, you must do your homework.
is there someone from PHL, PIT, BOS, BUF that can set 700 straight. For your information 700, immediately before the merger of Piedmont [wasn't it August '89?], the IBT was voted in as a result of a previous merger [PSA I think, and 6 moths prior to the completion of the piedmont merger]. The IBT never received the 50%+1 but kept its certification. I'm not following what you are meaning when you say this did not happen? You are correct to note that the IBT was eventually decertified as a result of 4,000 piedmont workers who were non-union and non-contract, and who received $4 pay raises as wage bait. They learned from their mistake and overwhelmingly voted in union by over 60%. Again, in union raids, the success rate is a convincing 99% and is a direct result of the two factors I mentioned in the IBEW cheat sheet.

As far as the IAM pension goes, what I posted is 100% accurate. You can be a member of another union and still participate in the IAM pension plan. Why are we arguing about this unless you are refusing to believe what is written about the plan????? I mean, even when people post good info, you're on here pounding them with kneejerk jagoff responses. Please, let's have an intelligent conversation and if anyone is posting misinformation then back it up with something more than 'Timmy wants to run his own union" and "Timmy tried to be a Teamster rep".

regards,
 
Where are you getting your information?

You are totally wrong, the IBT had represented BUF, BOS, PIT and PHL for years on the ramp at US, the rest of the stations were non-union before the merger, the ibt stations made less money than the non-union stations and the IBT was voted off the property after the US/PI Merger. There was not vote in April of 1989 when PSA was merged into US and if there was a vote it would have been systemwide, not just four stations.

Your post is totally wrong!
 
Where are you getting your information?

You are totally wrong, the IBT had represented BUF, BOS, PIT and PHL for years on the ramp at US, the rest of the stations were non-union before the merger, the ibt stations made less money than the non-union stations and the IBT was voted off the property after the US/PI Merger. There was not vote in April of 1989 when PSA was merged into US and if there was a vote it would have been systemwide, not just four stations.

Your post is totally wrong!
700, the rest of US AIRWAYS was represented by the IBT, although they were non-contract.
There was a vote and it was systemwide. As non represented Piedmont workers in CLT, Me and Stan Martin actually went up to PHL and even PIT and were guest speakers at their rally meetings encouraging them to vote in their election. We were not participants in the PSA election.
When we got back to CLT, Watson Furr slammed his fist on his managers desk and told us we better not by flying around anymore pumpin up the union vote. We both told Watson he could do better than put us on disciplinary levels and it was made clear that we weren't putting up with is **** **** games. In the end, Watson was so pissed at USair that he actually agreed with us I think. Too bad he passed away, good dude.

Anyways, 700, step into my history class. I'll try to salvage these facts for you.

IBT represented 4 stations since I believe 1980, after it succesfully raided ALEA [the defunct Air Line Employee Association].

US AIRWAYS buys PSA in, let's say 1988. NMB orders an election based on proponderance issues. Systemwide, all US AIRWAYS workers vote. IBT wins the election and represents ALL fleet service at US AIRWAYS after this election, not just 4 stations. Are you with me so far? Still, at this point, only the 4 stations were under contract and the IBT was in negotiations to bring the rest of its members under a new contract.
The IBT won by obtaining less than 50% of the vote. It was close to 50% but was assisted with 18 write in votes for the IAM, and two votes for a couple good looking chicks.

However, immediately after this vote, the NMB orders a new vote, based on the preponderance of employees from Piedmont. Only 1800 workers were under contract. Why don't you listen first? To discuss the things of this nature, can we assume everyone at least can read what they are talking about before they start dribbling about things they do not know about or were told by some IAM boss?

700, what I have posted is not opinion. Do you understand that? Further, the IAM plan summary was written for plan participants, kindly read the first two words on the summary. And even though you have somehow failed to grip this, the IAM plan summary DOES NOT require a person to be an IAM member to become a participant in the plan. It's in the plan, kindly read what I have linked.

700, the days of you thinking everything that Tony Degiamarco, Tommy Regan, Shiffano, sez is gospel should long be over with. Those guys and Boss Canale are either uneducated about their own plan [i don't think this is true], or purposely trying to manufacture fear with false information.

Likewise, I don't think people give a rat's a$$ about my opinion, but I think they find the objective information I have researched for them to be respectable, accurate, and I hope finally convincing.

As for advice for you, kindly listen to Joe Dirt. There, I've given my history lesson and I hope it's been enlightening for you. Thus, if you proceed to fail to grasp the facts that were presented I will realize that you aren't really wanting to contribute to the issues but really just want to destroy and slam any thought of fleet service voting out your beloved IAM. OTOH, if you present facts that could further the discussion [for or against the cause] then I would welcome them.

regards,
 
Tim, based on what I recall as a former PI employee, the IBT represented only the 4 stations listed above. After the merger there was a systemwide vote, and the IBT lost the election. I do recall that everyone except the 4 IBT stations got a raise, and for some reason the IBT turned it down. I can't nail-down any exact dates, but I know the IBT stations were around for a while after the PI/US merger. I recall some type of a "Fence Agreement" being in place at stations that had IBT fleet people, and non-union PI rampers. I never was located in any of the former IBT statons, and I never was represneted by them as far as I know. I know a few people who were IBT from PHL, and they lost out on some type of funds that were being held by the IBT for either their pensions, or medical benefits.
 
Where are you getting your information?

You are totally wrong, the IBT had represented BUF, BOS, PIT and PHL for years on the ramp at US, the rest of the stations were non-union before the merger, the ibt stations made less money than the non-union stations and the IBT was voted off the property after the US/PI Merger. There was not vote in April of 1989 when PSA was merged into US and if there was a vote it would have been systemwide, not just four stations.

Your post is totally wrong!
700 you are wrong
There was a vote after the psa / us merger and the ibt narrowlly won, if I remember correctly only by
less than a dozen votes. That was prior to the pi merger, i lived it or was i just dreaming it. Then the ibt
lost after the pi merger
 
Tim, based on what I recall as a former PI employee, the IBT represented only the 4 stations listed above. After the merger there was a systemwide vote, and the IBT lost the election. I do recall that everyone except the 4 IBT stations got a raise, and for some reason the IBT turned it down. I can't nail-down any exact dates, but I know the IBT stations were around for a while after the PI/US merger. I recall some type of a "Fence Agreement" being in place at stations that had IBT fleet people, and non-union PI rampers. I never was located in any of the former IBT statons, and I never was represneted by them as far as I know. I know a few people who were IBT from PHL, and they lost out on some type of funds that were being held by the IBT for either their pensions, or medical benefits.
Again, the IBT represented all the fleet workers on US AIRWAYS after their certification from winning the PSA merger election. They received less than 50% of the vote but won because of 18 IAM votes and a few votes for some babes. However, only the 4 stations remained under contract.

The IBT was in negotiations and always came out ahead of the non-union folk. While in negotiations, the non union group got a 3% raise but the IBT always got more and also retro pay. Unfortunately, the IAM never holds US AIRWAYS accountable for fleet service and always signed away retro.

regards,
 
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