I'm Sorry

[PITMTC]

What I'm sorry about is that AWA is merging with a company full of cry-babies. This merger won't work as none of the US employees will let it work. What a bunch of malcontents. Wipe your tears, blow your nose and get on with running an airline or LEAVE!
:rant:

[post="289037"][/post]​

I agree 10000000%. Everyone points fingers and blames the U management for everything, well it really is not that easy. Employees are just as much to blame for their own misery as much as management is for doing some of the things they do.

[post="289040"][/post]​

What the folks from US don't understand is that they have the oppurtunity to e-mail Doug Parker and the rest and give him an earful. But NOOOOOO!!! They want to cry on an internet bulletin board and complain about their sour milk. See Doug Parker at a Town Hall and have a beef? Tell him! You won't be fired. Guess it's easier to piss and moan.
Honestly, from what I have been seeing on BBs, I really don't want to work with these people. They ALL seem like cry-babies. Each and every one.

[post="289042"][/post]​

...and the funny thing is that this post was started with "Most of the people I talk to were trying to give Mr. Parker the benefit of the doubt. But that has faded with the recent turn of events." which only demonstrates that certain (trust me...I know it is only a few but they are the lurkers on these boards) employees of U aren't willing to give Parker a chance at all. Just looking for an excuse to be disgruntled. For the malcontented U employees that lurke on these boards...do the merger a favor and get out b/c it won't be successfull if you are already looking for a reason to get upset at somebody.

[post="289064"][/post]​

Do not take what you read here from the common posters as "what U's employees are like" or "what U employees feel". You have some very disgruntled employees on here who have a real bad attitude and want everyone to feel the same way. I work with a lot of people in many different areas, it is not a majority of what people feel. Yes, they took a beating on job loses and money cuts, but they are looking forward to a new management type and changes. We are willing to make it work and we welcome the merger and you guys at HP.
Don't let the sh_t-house lawyers get to you.
Keep your attitudes and morals high, we are going to need it.

 

[osunut]

Since none of you HP employees have had to work for Crellin, Hemenway or Presti, you have no room to talk.

The three men have ruined the company and its employees in their own unique fashion, but I would not expect any of you to know this since you have not been through four or more paycuts, two bankruptcies in less then two year, managened by threats and intimidations, over 150 planes parked and 20,000 less employees.

When you have walked a mile in the US' employees shoes then you can comment, until then I suggest you listen and watch very carefully as your turn is next.

[post="289132"][/post]​

700 you have no clue do you? :huh: Is that all your about is crying and saying..."poor me, poor me!! Look at my boss!! He is the problem!"....look in the mirror, I bet you made some of your own misery.

Oh and BTW I can make comments about whatever I want and you can't stop me or say it is wrong or that I don't have a right, it is my opinion. I am sorry is this 1984??? And yes I would take all 3 of those guys over Franke any day, I bet none of them had body guards.....

Man you need to relax some...who had the Prozac pic?? LOL B)

Go away, leave U, your a pilot go find a job somewhere else I am sure that someone is hiring really grumpy pilots.

I laugh in your general direction!!!

 

[osunut]

Please note your remarks for future referance because when the next melt down occurs, you will find that it is your fault that there isn't enough staffing or you called in sick one time too many or some other lame excuse.

I hope this merger works, but don't try to tell me I am just as equal to blame for U's troubles. More times than I can remember have I been told if I would just give up work rules, salary, pension, etc., etc., etc.; things will get better.

Mtnman

[post="289133"][/post]​

Missed the point.....if the employees don't have support from the union they need to get stronger leadership. But, they have to realize that somone really doesn't need to get paid $20/hr to clean an airplane. Please school teachers make less than that.

Only you can change your enviroment, but one has to be reasonable, open minded and be willing to take a hit once in a while, just like everyone else.

 

[osunut]

Such a mature response, glad to see you can hold an intelligent debate.

[post="289142"][/post]​

One has to have intelligence to debate it.

 

[diogenes]

Al is coming, and nothing is going to change it. Either y'all will see soon enough, or Parker will keep him on a short leash.

And for those who want to blame the victim, compare, up until the first BK, the metrics the employees had input into - on-time, PAWOBS, complaints, etc. versus the metric the Palace had say-so over - profits.

Who outperformed whom?

For that matter, compare the DOT metrics of US with HP over that time span.

Have a care with the bricks, folks.

What the deal is, those left standing at U desperately want this merger to work. And they are terrified, with evident justification, the U virus will spread to HP.

Think about this. Generally, you want your dad to beat up the other kid's dad.

The U employees are rooting for HP's dad.

 

[barbeetantrums]

We at US have been beaten down so badly by our management over the years that some find it next to impossible to trust anyone. Someone on here said we were acting like a bunch of beaten pups. Well when you are a pup that is beaten as much as we have it's hard to trust a new owner. Ever pet a beaten pup before when they shrug away from you and pee on the floor? That is how many feel here. I think many here at US are leary of the new mgmt team. They want to trust him. It's like leaving a few sharks in the tank. They are not good mgmt. people that are comming from US. I MUST force myself to believe that Mr. Parker is bringing them for a reason. It also AMAZED ME on my last 4 day trip how "uneducated" many flight crew are about what is going on.

[post="289301"][/post]​

One thing I've learned about beat pups is that if you take them in they often become the most loyal and loving you will ever have. What the dog needs are some kind words like, "What a pretty widdle dawgie!" and ample snoogie-woogies. Usually, the dog will be just fine but a little neurotic. Now if the dog you take in bites you, you may have to take him to a vet to be put down. :unsure:

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Hey 700, your whining and crying may work in a rusted out old has been city like Pittsburgh, but come to Phoenix, a city on the rise. If you ain't gonna push the cart, then get out of it.

Wahhhh!

 

[A330US]

US people are no crybabies, whoever says so are POS people, and all that is to blame is really the mangement of US Airways, not the employees, i know its not easy to run an airline, but its not the employees, the dumbest CEo in the world, lakefield is horrible,
he eats up US money so easily and he knows that the company is in trouble, but he still keeps on, even steve jobs for apple only took $1 for the whole year when he came back to apple, since apple was such in a bad time, why doesnt our BS Ceo do the same
all the blame goes to our managment and our S#@$ a!@ CEO !
i hope that parker can turn this airline around to back what it was , what it was before the rebranding as USAIR !, and i think we can become the airline we were before
all these WN, B6 etc, i hope that costs rise at WN, and then they outsource their planes to some el salvador facility, and then have huge problems, with the planes blowing up on the runway etc
WN shall DIE !!!!
long live US !!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW, anyone know where i can get a US remote controlled plane ? 😀
i really want the A330

 

[UseYourHead]

700 & many of the other U employees here at this message board represent the most disgruntled, angry, negative group I have ever come into contact with.

THEY DO NOT REFLECT THE ATTITUDE OF THE VAST MAJORITY OF HARD WORKING US AIRWAYS EMPLOYEES!

If they did, this airline would not be here today...

I agree with everyone here who feels that if your not going to be a part of the solution, LEAVE.

I look forward to working with all of the AWA folks and I am excited about the new management team.

Hey 700, your whining and crying may work in a rusted out old has been city like Pittsburgh, but come to Phoenix, a city on the rise. If you ain't gonna push the cart, then get out of it.

Wahhhh!

[post="289465"][/post]​

 

[barbeetantrums]

700 & many of the other U employees here at this message board represent the most disgruntled, angry, negative group I have ever come into contact with.

THEY DO NOT REFLECT THE ATTITUDE OF THE VAST MAJORITY OF HARD WORKING US AIRWAYS EMPLOYEES!

If they did, this airline would not be here today...

I agree with everyone here who feels that if your not going to be a part of the solution, LEAVE.

I look forward to working with all of the AWA folks and I am excited about the new management team.

[post="289468"][/post]​

That's what I want to hear! Now you grab the bull by one horn and I'll grab the other!

 

[Art at ISP]

I have to agree with UYH. I fly the US system almost every week, and the front line employees are the best in the industry (no disrespect to HP folks, I am sure you're great too, but haven't flown HP in 15 yrs). There are disgruntled and upset people in every work group and they have a right to vent, but one would hope they choose not to take out their frustrations on their customers. Those at US with an axe to grind have not to my knowledge struck out at their customers. In fact the reason that my FFOCUS colleagues and I stay so fiercely loyal IS the front line employees.

FFOCUS supports the coming merger and welcomes the opportunity to continue our support and loyalty to what we believe can become the new powerhouse in the airline industry. The raw ingredients are here--let's give them a chance to mix well and succeed.

FWIW, we were disappointed to see who was carrying over also, but we'd like to believe that Mr. Parker has a bigger plan--for now we are happy to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I wish all the employees of US and HP the absolute best and look forward to seeing you during my travels...enjoy the chocolates 🙂

My best to you all.....

 

[Seatacus]

Al is coming, and nothing is going to change it. Either y'all will see soon enough, or Parker will keep him on a short leash.

[post="289415"][/post]​

Those of you at HP just ask your station managers in RNO and SEA. They know Al C. Rumor is the SEA manager is leaving. 🙂

 

[700UW]

First of all I am not disgruntled.

Sue me if I speak the truth on what has transpired at US and how US management instead of running the airline and attacking the competition they declared war on the company's most valued asset, the employees.

This management team has made mistake after mistake only to line their coffers at the expense of the employee's wallets.

Dave Siegel said during the first round of concessions this is what I need to make US work, not even 12 weeks later his boss David Bronner was threatening to liquididate US in the New York Times unless the employees give more.

Then the company right before they were to exit the first bankruptcy, went after the pilot pension and the MEC rolled over like dog getting a treat, then with another last minute bankruptcy episode they terminate every single lease in Pittsburgh.

So they employees gave back $1.2 billlion per yer for over two years.

Then the Iraq war hit and the employees took another 5% paycut.

Then a year after exiting bankruptcy the company is back on the concession path, and Siegel even had the gall to say if you don't want to give more then go look for other employment.

They created MidAtlantic Airways to have a soft landing for the thousands of layoffs that have occured, they hired some Pilots, some F/As and handful of mechanics, but yet no rampers, customer service agents, stock clerks or utility were hired by MDA as they were being laid-off from Mainline.

Then the company summons the IAM Mechanic and Related leadership to PIT and hands the union a grievance and says were are going to farmout the first 10 airbus aircraft because we don't believe that is your work. Nevermind the IAM represented US Airways Mechanic and Related have overhauled EVERY single type of aircraft flying on the mainline since 1949 under the collective bargaining agreement.

So lets slap the workers who just gave almost $300 million a year in concession from their group in the face and disregard the very contract the company had just agreed too.

The IAM takes US to court and wins and injuction, which is overturned upon appeal. The process goes to Arbitration led by the company Director of Labor Relations Ground, now VP of Labor Relations Al Hemenway who is head to Tempe now, and the company loses and order to pay damages. A month later they file chapter 11 bankruptcy to get out paying the damages and get Judge Mitchell to permit continued outsourcing instead of bringing the work back inhouse like ordered.

Siegel gets fired and walks away with over $7 milllion in severence and pension while thousands get laid-off and others struggle to make ends meet.

US files bankruptcy again as I have have stated less then two years after emerging from the first chapter 11 with everything they said they need to become a succesful and profitable carrier, interesting tidbit they get the same exact Judge who they had in the first chapter 11 case.

This judge imposes a paycut on all employees except management got an average of 4 to 8% raise and only takes a 5% paycut, the CEO Bruce Lakefield leads by example and takes a ZERO PERCENT paycut, yet he makes more then Herb Kelliher of WN and David Neelemen of B6, the last time I looked Southwest and Jetblue were making profits and US was in chapter 11 for the second time, yep that is a real leader.

I sat in the courtroom and watched the section 1113 C hearings and what a farce it was, I was there with leaders of the IAM and AFA, ALPA just rubber stamped everything the company said as they had all ready reached a T/A on concessions.

Then came the threats of abrogation unless concessions were reached, the IAM Mechanic and Related group tried to negotiate a deal with the company for over three months, I know I was there. Finally on 1/5/05 the IAM came up with an offer to the company that met their ask and preserved the majority of the jobs in the mtc dept, the company rejected it as they wanted what they wanted and how they wanted it and did not care about the fallout to the employees.

The company got their abrogation and threw a final offer out to which the membership voted to accept which laid-off 46% of the maintenance workforce.

You had the X-mas meltdown that left thousands without bags only to have the company blame the Flight Attendants for the cancelled flights and the ramp in PHL for passengers not getting their luggage, but yet when the DOT Inspector General released his findings he clearly blamed management, did you hear an apology from the CCY gang, NOPE! Not one manager, director or VP was held responsible or fired, yet Comair had their President resign over the X-mas disaster.

Yep real leadership out of the CCY gang of thieves.

So in a quick wrap up since 9/11 there are 20,000 less employees are here and over 150 planes soon to be approaching 200 planes would have been parked.

Yet Wolf, Gangwal and Nagin walk away with over $35 million, Siegel and Cohen almost $10 million for pushing US into financial disater and you expect the employees to trust any of this so called management team the proof is in the pudding.

The facts don't lie.

 

[700UW]

Missed the point.....if the employees don't have support from the union they need to get stronger leadership. But, they have to realize that somone really doesn't need to get paid $20/hr to clean an airplane. Please school teachers make less than that.

[post="289395"][/post]​

Can you please show me how anyone at US made $20 to clean a plane?

You won't be able to because the highest rate of pay before concessions was $17.13 an hour.

Once again don't let the facts get in your way.

 

[Bear96]

Good thing you're not disgruntled!