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[TWU informer]

I will fire the first shot...

http://www.amfa-aa.com/images/organizer/AMFA_vs_IBT.pdf

 

[Buster CRC]

Lots of Questions, Both IBT Reps that are there are Aircraft Mechanics one from United and the other from Continental both had 25 plus years in. They knew the industry. You might want to drop by just to listen. They are there again tomorrow from 12-7 at the Hampton Inn. 3418 S. 79th st..

 

[TWU informer]

Lots of Questions, Both IBT Reps that are there are Aircraft Mechanics one from United and the other from Continental both had 25 plus years in. They new the industry. You might want to drop by just to listen. They are there again tomorrow from 12-7 at the Hampton Inn. 3418 S. 79th st..

Hand me a card and I will sign it. If you have the cards PM where I can find you

Oh wait, I do have couple of questions. How does two AMT's from other carriers obtain TWU Shop Steward e-mails and cell phone numbers for texting to notify about their presence? I mean you say they have many visitors, and yet they know nobody here, but I heard about this from nearly every dock and shop on the Tulsa base.,

Where did you hear about them being here? Was there a black helicopter drop over the Tulsa area earlier this week?

 

[Buster CRC]

IBT Card Drive not started yet. But I will take some AMFA Cards to get signed.

 

[TWU informer]

IBT Card Drive not started yet. But I will take some AMFA Cards to get signed.

Got to http://www.amfa-aa.com/contact.php
Fill out a request for cards and I will see to it that you get some.

🙂

 

[Birdman]

My question is are they here to do a legit card drive or just here to split us up three ways.

Were they (IBT) not contacted several years ago and had no interest in an AA card drive? If so, why the sudden interest? Will they be called "scabs and union busters", the Hampton Inn swamped with protesters, and a coffin displayed in the parking lot by TWU zealots? Their absence is nothing less than an endorsement of the IBT's presence.

I am all about democracy, sign the IBT cards, sign the AMFA cards and lets have an election!!!!!
Just sign their cards and thank them for helping, while signing your AMFA cards too.
Just another choice when the election takes place.

It appears the first union to submit cards will be included by name with the TWU on the ballots with sufficient interest validated. The other will have to be a "write in" choice, which could be at a slight disadvantage, and of coarse a "runoff" election of the top two choices will occur if no one receives a majority of the votes cast. I prefer signing only the AMFA authorization card.

 

[Tex-Mech]

Were they (IBT) not contacted several years ago and had no interest in an AA card drive? If so, why the sudden interest? Will they be called "scabs and union busters", the Hampton Inn swamped with protesters, and a coffin displayed in the parking lot by TWU zealots? Their absence is nothing less than an endorsement of the IBT's presence.

According to my shop steward who called the local for me, the TWU is helping the teamsters card drive through K.C. liason Gordon. The goal is to confuse people to dillute the card drive for AMFA. When I asked him if there will be a meeting with the teamsters at the base here, he said that the local leadership told them to stay away.

 

[Birdman]

According to my shop steward who called the local for me, the TWU is helping the teamsters card drive through K.C. liason Gordon.

Follow the money. Can you say two revenue tickets, hotel, meals, drinks, and a(n) hooker escort paid for by TWU?

 

[Buck]

Who does Gordon Clarke work for?

Is an American employee?

What station is he assigned to?

Who voted him to a union position if he is an officer?

I have many former TWA mechanics on my dock, they informed me "do not trust Gordon Clarke!

 

[Frank Szabo]

According to my shop steward who called the local for me, the TWU is helping the teamsters card drive through K.C. liason Gordon. The goal is to confuse people to dillute the card drive for AMFA. When I asked him if there will be a meeting with the teamsters at the base here, he said that the local leadership told them to stay away.

That sounds about par for the twu/ibt "alliance", referred to by our darling twu prognosticator Overspeed.

The story being passed about was the company was willing to pay what the Title 1 boys and girls are worth if we were to break away from the flock. I seem to remember a similar line of BS a number of years ago but coming from a different group.

As a reward for doing so, the company would scrap its "return-from-the-brink" business plan and shower we Title Ones with riches after, of course, the company doesn't have to pay those below the salt as they had been previously.

That was the most common AMFA selling point from some time ago and it's being recycled by the twu/ibt/company.

I call BS.​

 

[Flying low]

Who does Gordon Clarke work for?

Is an American employee?

What station is he assigned to?

Who voted him to a union position if he is an officer?

I have many former TWA mechanics on my dock, they informed me "do not trust Gordon Clarke!

I remember reading that somewhere in this forum somewhere. If memory serves me correct, it was posted that he was hidden at TASEL.

 

[TWU informer]

Keep your eyes on the prize. This is not about any individual, or single issue.

This is about a conversion from Industrial Unionism to Craft Unionism.

The IBT represents 80,000 members in their Airline Division, including but not limited to, Fleet Service, Stock Clerks, Pilots, Flight Attendants, Mechanics, UPS Drivers.....ect. ect. ect.

While I am open to democracy and signing any card the that might provide for an NMB representatioanl election. I would suggest that going from one industrial union to another is not going to change much.

In addition, I doubt that if the IBT were to garner enough cards, that would actually file for an election against their so-called alliance partner the TWU.

Beware, Stay Informed, and Keep your eye on the prize!

I will just keep asking, how does two guys from IBT have the ability to Communicate with every shop and dock on the Tulsa base if not provided that communication identification by someone that has that access i.e. The Alliance Partner....THE TWU?

 

[Frank Szabo]

Keep your eyes on the prize. This is not about any individual, or single issue.

This about a conversion from Industrial Unionism to Craft Unionism.

The IBT represents 80,000 members in their Airline Division, including but not limited to, Fleet Service, Stock Clerks, Pilots, Flight Attendants, Mechanics, UPS Drivers.....ect. ect. ect.

While I am open to democracy and signing any card the that might provide for an NMB representatioanl election. I would suggest that going from one industrial union to another is not going to change much.

In addition, I doubt that if the IBT were to garner enough cards, that would actually file for an election against their so-called alliance partner the TWU.

Beware, Stay Informed, and Keep your eye on the prize!

I will just keep asking, how does two guys from IBT have the ability to Communicate with every shop and dock on the Tulsa base if not provided that communication identification by someone that has that access i.e. The Alliance Partner....THE TWU?

Exactly my thoughts - very much like running a "spoiler" in an election. Speaking with another fellow last pm and he was more willing to go with the ibt because of their "reputation for getting things done" - rough stuff.

The info told to me re: the ibt's arrival in town was accompanied by a not-so-subtle hint that "they'll get us more money" and "pay us what we're worth". In partnership with the twu - Yeah - right. To quote Mel Gibson's William Wallace character in Braveheart, "When angels fly out of me arse".

Regardless of what union's name gets hung on the door, it won't change Centrepork's plan to do away with overhaul eventually. The jobs "saved" will be temporary in nature and will eventually be outsourced to a third world hellhole - this, from a company once known for its premier aircraft maintenance - and those at the helm will probably still have the audacity to call the company "American".

American, indeed.

 

[Overspeed]

Keep your eyes on the prize. This is not about any individual, or single issue.

This is about a conversion from Industrial Unionism to Craft Unionism.

The IBT represents 80,000 members in their Airline Division, including but not limited to, Fleet Service, Stock Clerks, Pilots, Flight Attendants, Mechanics, UPS Drivers.....ect. ect. ect.

While I am open to democracy and signing any card the that might provide for an NMB representatioanl election. I would suggest that going from one industrial union to another is not going to change much.

In addition, I doubt that if the IBT were to garner enough cards, that would actually file for an election against their so-called alliance partner the TWU.

Beware, Stay Informed, and Keep your eye on the prize!

I will just keep asking, how does two guys from IBT have the ability to Communicate with every shop and dock on the Tulsa base if not provided that communication identification by someone that has that access i.e. The Alliance Partner....THE TWU?

It's pretty simple Dave. AMFA/AMP is an alternative that most have realized has not delivered on its promises. People like you wave the craft union banner as the panacea to the membership's ills however after destroying the jobs of 23,000 the truth is obvious. It doesn't work.

How much does an IBT mechanic at UPS make? That industrial union seems to be kicking your craft union's butt. The TWU industrial union had a deal that was going to make us number two behind WN. Craft union better? Why did they get voted out at UA and replaced by the IBT?

 

[Rogallo]

panacea?

Please quit using your superior intelligence to try to prove your point..!!

This sheep doesn't understand fancy words..!!