International 757 Update

flyguy121

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JUST GOT THIS ON THE AFA E-LINE 5/30/06.....

757 EUROPEAN FLYING UPDATE

At literally the eleventh hour the Company has informed AFA they will offer a "sort of" First Class service on the three B757 aircraft that will begin seasonal service to LIS (June 4), SNN (June 3) and GLA (May 30).

From the beginning the product was designed to be an all coach service. The aircraft is currently configured with 8 First Class seats and 180 coach class seats. AFA was told the plan was to offer the First Class seats to Chairman's Preferred as a "Premium Seat" with NO other amenities traditionally associated with either First or Envoy Class. The decision by marketing and revenue mangers was to seize the opportunity and get the service started as soon as possible. The plan going forward is to reconfigure the aircraft with an Envoy cabin and service for next year's seasonal European flying. That decision was supported by AFA.

In meetings held with senior company officials in April, AFA was told that InFlight Training and Systems had developed service procedures, galley pack outs and service flow based on an all coach class service. We had an extensive meeting with the Company to review those plans. The procedures were tested in simulations earlier this month attended by AFA. The all coach simulations went smoothly and several suggestions made by AFA were incorporated into the procedures.

Late last week I was told by Ron Cole, VP of InFlight, the Company is revising their earlier planning/model to offer a First Class product this season. Apparently the whiz kids in Marketing and Revenue Management decided they would offer the seats as an upgrade for $200 dollars. I was also told the product would initially include the same coach meal, but in addition other First Class amenities such as free liquor, headsets and some additional food products would be offered to those who upgraded to the Premium Seat. Additionally the Company has decided to add a domestic type First Class meal at some point later this season.

I objected vehemently to this last minute change. Mr. Cole informed me he would take my concerns back to the Company. I was told on Friday by Mr. Cole that the plan was still to go ahead with the First Class product on a "trial basis". Mr. Cole stated that "he believes I am right and if it becomes apparent the new product does not work it will be eliminated."

Rather than take the advice of the experts (us) the Company is going to move forward with a product that will be a bad experience for both the customer and the Flight Attendants and wait for "feedback" to evaluate the decision.

As early as this morning no one at the Company knew exactly what the spiel will be to the customer who is solicited the upgrade. Even if they are told there is no Flight Attendant dedicated to First Class they will expect otherwise. I would, if I paid for an upgrade.

This is contrary to all of the planning and development of the 757 European flying done by InFlight Training and systems and will not work. As we all know if a customer pays for an upgrade they are going to have a sense of entitlement. Every time the "A" Flight Attendant makes a trip to the forward galley to restock they will be stopped and asked for more wine or a drink. This will hamper the ability of the Flight Attendants to efficiently provide the designed coach service to the rest of the aircraft. Additionally the customer will, since there is no dedicated First Class Flight Attendant, most likely be ringing the call bell for service. One company manager even went as far as to say that perhaps the customer could be told by the agent not to ring the call bell for service. God help us all.

One of the reasons this merger was put together was because of the strong International presence of US Airways. Yes the Company was in bankruptcy, but we were not without some valuable assets. One of the strongest of those was our European service.

This decision is flawed. The product will cause confusion for the customer as it will give the appearance to customers who have flown US Airways before that the Company has cheapened the Envoy product. For new customers it will give the appearance that we offer a half-#$* First Class product; which is exactly what we will be doing.

This decision, which I believe came from outside the InFlight department, is ridiculous. You either have Envoy Class to Europe or you don't-there is no in between. That was the premise of the earlier meetings and the original decision to offer the all coach product. The decision to chase after some additional revenue will cost us in the long run.

As with the introduction of the Airbus equipment a "Specialist" program has been created to provide training and evaluate the service. The specialists are not onboard the aircraft to help out with the service. Do not let the specialists help you serve the First Class section. Do tell the specialist of your experience with the product and procedures on these flights.

Please document and report your experiences, concerns and comments regarding this decision to either myself, PHL LECP Laura Albert or Mr. Ron Cole.

Mike Flores, President
US Airways MEC
AFA-CWA
 
DUMB DUMB DUMB

it's a 1/2 a$$ed attempt that will make them look like a$$e$. they should have used it to upgrade elites.
 
First of all, did it say that the sales of $200 "mid"grades (can't call them upgrades) would be done before Chairmen's requesting such seating?

Second, if implemented, it will be perceived as yet another in a long list of FU's aimed at their most loyal customers...a further example of being penny wise and pound foolish, and will wind up being an embarrassment as well.

At least with all Coach they were being somewhat honest about the product.

That said, I doubt anyone in their right mind is going to pay $200 for a marginally more comfortable seat with limited recline and limited legroom and free booze--no one could possibly drink $200 worth on one flight...

We'll see.....
 
Save us Mike Flores! Our first class has fallen sooo far. Someone has to protect our Envoy service...US Airway's pride and joy. I thought we were trying to be a low cost, FULL SERVICE airline. :angry:
 
If they make US1's use their TA upgrade certificates that is ridiculous...any word on this?

Also, they are offering less than what domestic FC offers yet they are charging $200 which is $50 more than they charge to the West Coast, right? Once again, they are charging more and offering less...
 
Yes, they will.

Until they get up there and b7tch and complain and moan to the poor FA working that cabin. How many FA's on the east side hear complaints about FC from people on the FirstUp program?

I would love to hear that announcement. It is sort of kind of like Envoy but not really because the seat does not recline like it does in other Business Class, it is more like domestic First Class, however, we will not be offering a FC meal. You can drink all you want though. It will be like taking a redeye from LAS if you have ever done that before...no????....hmmmmm....do you have a chair at home that reclines a little but not all the way? well, that is how it is....all for just $200! Oh, yes, you are right, we only charge $150 for that LAS upgrade but this is special...why? well, because we are leaving the country!!! yeah, that's the reason....isn't that special enough?
 
OK....again will somebody explain why we are taking 757's....a 3rd type of A/C across the Atlantic? :huh:
 
We are getting tackier by the day. I never thought I would be this embarrassed by the way we do things. Even when we had one foot in the grave I don't think we were this tacky. Well, we raised He!! about the snack basket and that stayed, now I guess we will have to do something about this. These people in Tempe have to understand that we cannot do this premium stuff "The America West Way". It's extremely off color and has no place on an International route. They can't reinvent the wheel on this one so just LEAVE IT ALONE and let us keep some of our pride.
 
We are getting tackier by the day. I never thought I would be this embarrassed by the way we do things. Even when we had one foot in the grave I don't think we were this tacky. Well, we raised He!! about the snack basket and that stayed, now I guess we will have to do something about this. These people in Tempe have to understand that we cannot do this premium stuff "The America West Way". It's extremely off color and has no place on an International route. They can't reinvent the wheel on this one so just LEAVE IT ALONE and let us keep some of our pride.

I suggested in many posts on many boards that if the NEW US had the wisdom and BIG airline business experience, they would create a separate International Division, with an experienced international staff (steal a few from BA), a budget and independent P&L responsibility and have it make all the Trans-Atlantic decisions. I agree, Tempe is great with meat and potatoes airline management, but not the champagne and caviar levels needed to compete internationally.
 
This announcement is absolutely horrible. I am so sick and tired of saying Sorry for BullShi$$ decisions by past management. I have found myself doing it again with some recent decisions. This is rediculous at best. It makes absolutely NO sense. Please, please, please if ANYONE from Tempe is listening, don't push to implement this. If you have ANYTHING to hold onto and expand upon is our somewhat tastfull service known as Int'l. I sure as hell hope you add another flight attendant that is dedicated to f/c. I can see MANY not following that and doing it as coach anyway. I am one for doing it by policy to alleviate BS during service but this is the worst. Just who does makes these decisions. I know were going the way of the west with the whole LCC crap but something has to give here. Fly US to europe why? Or at least justifying paying for that product why? This is just nuts.
 
Is this a joke? They cannot be serious... do they know anything? Well be laughed out of the sky and have to land in gander..

we did have a seperate international division until last year. there was good things about having one but mostly bad things. its better to have no divisions- trandatlantic, midatlantic, im tired of people making walls bigger than they really are. if united and others cxan handle a single operation so can we we are not exactly pan am. we want to have a nice product like we did and the customers won't put up with this crap. what works while flying the drunks to vegas doesnt work flying big boy airlines to big boy places.

why do we ALWAYS have to be the embarrassing one. ALWAYS.
 
You know it's bad enough that the 767's are in dire need of an overhaul ie., seats, galleys, lavs, video systems, etc. Was on a T/A flight the other day and those "ancient" cooker carts they have in coach have become almost a danger to both passengers as well as F/A's. They are soo delapidated and worn out that the cords that attach them to cook won't even stay on anymore resulting in luke warm food. They have no brakes, you have to find tape or something sticky in the galley to keep the cart doors open to serve, and they don't even roll straight down the aisle so you are running into seat after seat! Meanwhile, dealing with all of this the video screens are rolling like crazy and the sound is cutting in and out! Great product! My neighbor flies USAirways to Europe quite often for business, she loves the 330's but when she has to fly the 767's she tells me she actually worries about the flight. She says that the planes are soo worn out and problematic that it is a little concerning to her. If that's her reaction, many others must have that perception also. As for the 757's to Europe, what's the logic and why the hurry to put those A/C on these routes? Couldn't they have worked a deal on some 767's out in the desert or something? Please tell me that this isn't the "new" push for TransAtlantic service Tempe style.
 
I am not happy about this "sorta first class" thats going to be on the 757's, also i believe the cost of the upgrade has gone to $250. I know AA does this on SNN-BOS and MAN-BOS, selling domestic F seats, but does not offer anything extra its an all coach service, i think they charge $150 and a friend in SNN told me that they sell a lot of these seats every day.. So people will buy these upgrades but hey i cant wait to see how they word this service. Plus at the moment its a coach meal at the same price then a first class meal will be put on towards the end of next month!.

Why do they leave it to last minute to sort these things out, it should be the same standard of service from day one.
 

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