This was a great step. Glad they have put an emergency plan into play finally.
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This was a great step. Glad they have put an emergency plan into play finally.
There is another point you're missing. AF, KL, et al already fly to ICN (SEL international passenger ops moved to ICN years ago) so they have the infrastructure in place to make this work. They already lay over crews there, they have contract hotels, ground ops, and it's already a line station for them. AA doesn't even fly to Korea, be it SEL, ICN, PUS, so there is not the necessary infrastructure in place to start this. Think in terms of the HND start up and what it took to get that going, 1 flight to an airport in a city already served by via the other airport and it still took many weeks to be ready to start. If AA already flew to ICN this idea may have had more merit, but right now monitoring, conferrring with both US and Japanese governments, and even conferring with the competition that admitedly has more experience, infrastructure, and possibly better contacts for the "staright scoop" and being ready to pull the crews and suspend the routes if necessary seems to be the way to go.
Are you a flight attendant? Perhaps until you/others put on a flight attendant uniform and then go work the trip, you will never understand our concerns. Had American been a more trust worthy employer, perhaps we would have more confidence in their efforts to keep us safe.
I am sure, in a pinch, JAL could handle our operations out of Osaka or other JAL station.
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Yes, they're AA's business partner, but Don't you think JAL has their own problems to deal with right now?... like perhaps hundreds if not thousands of their employees or their families directly affected by the tsunami & earthquake? They also have other airline partners like BA & CX who moved operations to KIX, so it's not a guarantee that there was room at the inn for another four or five flights a day..
If there was ever any doubt that the company holds duty of care for its employees in an emergency sacrosanct, there's your sign, mk. They have a plane sitting, fueled, and ready to go. The unions didn't have to ask for it. The company just did it, knowing it was the right thing to do. Piss and moan all you want about negotiations and the day to day BS, but when it really counts, most employers do the right thing first and worry about the costs later.
If there was ever any doubt that the company holds duty of care for its employees in an emergency sacrosanct, there's your sign, mk. They have a plane sitting, fueled, and ready to go. The unions didn't have to ask for it. The company just did it, knowing it was the right thing to do. Piss and moan all you want about negotiations and the day to day BS, but when it really counts, most employers do the right thing first and worry about the costs later.
My guess is JAFA is a DL FA. JAFA is an old NW slang term for what we call VM. They call it an Add. JAFA means something pretty funny.
Did any of you really think AA would keep an aircraft there just for us? Spit out the koolaid folks. Perform your calculations, that aircraft was there! Yes they are keeping it fueled, but what about those times during the day when there is no aircraft there? And if a nuclear emergency occurs, do you really think they will give you the seat before their top corporate customers? Really? AA liability is much less if you die within 6 months than if your live with radiation poisoning. Guess which option their actuary pinheads will tell them to go with? Honestly if you think this company gives a #$%# about you, you may want to see a psychiatrist to understand why you have no meaningful relationships in your life.
There's basically always an aircraft there. The last departure is -168 which leaves at 1820 local time. The last arrival is -61 from DFW which gets in at
1530 local and spends the night until -176 to DFW the next day. Sometimes those routings change but there's always an overnight until -176.
The aircraft is then fueled to at least get to LAX the next day to save time in fueliing. They're not doing anything more than was done previous to the earthquake.
It is. Just another ___ add.
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I heard from cheryl (DFW) and patty (LAX) today that AA was tanker-ing jet fuel on the B-777's to NRT. They were telling me that with the lower than normal passenger loads and a MAX out fuel loads of 203,700 LBS from LAX DFW ORD and JFK that AA was not having any jet fuel problems at NRT, but HND was a little different.
Patty said that like JFK to NRT flight and the JFK to HND flight they are tanker-ing-in 10,000 to 30,000 LBS of fuel out of JFK, depending upon the freight weight, routing, and headwinds going westbound. Patty also said that out of LAX with a normal fuel burn for the B-777 the aircraft is tanker-ing in about 70,000-80,000 LBS of jet fuel.
Cheryl told me that in DFW they are tanker-ing 40,000- 50,000 LBS of jet fuel per flight, at the same time she heard that ORD was tanker-ing about 50,000-60,000 LBS of jet fuel per flight.
Patty said that like JFK to NRT flight and the JFK to HND flight they are tanker-ing-in 10,000 to 30,000 LBS of fuel out of JFK, depending upon the freight weight, routing, and headwinds going westbound. Patty also said that out of LAX with a normal fuel burn for the B-777 the aircraft is tanker-ing in about 70,000-80,000 LBS of jet fuel.
Cheryl told me that in DFW they are tanker-ing 40,000- 50,000 LBS of jet fuel per flight, at the same time she heard that ORD was tanker-ing about 50,000-60,000 LBS of jet fuel per flight.
