JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Tim Nelson]

Javits was a George Bush Appointee who hammered us at US AIRWAYS and kicked out the Teamsters by forcing a vote that should have never happened.

A true anti union Republican.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=17586

 

[NYer]

it became public knowledge, that's how I know. They said that they didn't sign off on it. Not an 'official update' but an email update from one of the negotiators. I'm sure you got the email as well. So stop your nonsense.

It was. The official line was that they were trying to make sure there were no strings attached. That was at the very beginning of the announcement. No official word on that since, although it was likely a verbal acceptance with the official ceremony coming during the TA of the compensation related articles.

 

[bob@las-AA]

3/26/16
"PROFIT SHARING: During this past week in negotiations the company came to us and explained that they wanted to offer our group profit sharing for the 2016 year. While we don't have all the specifics at this time, I can tell you that they made it clear that they didn't expect anything from this offer, and that this wouldn't affect our negotiations as far as what we will be asking and expecting. This seems to be just a " good gesture " on the companies behalf and seems like a very good thing for our work group. The unions must sign off on this, and while it is not my call, I would assume we will as long as it ends up being what it appears to be. If anything changes on this, I will let you know."

Mark Baskett"

Since then, there is no indication to suggest otherwise.

 
And just why would the company need the permission of the association for this?

 

[WeAAsles]

3/26/16"PROFIT SHARING: During this past week in negotiations the company came to us and explained that they wanted to offer our group profit sharing for the 2016 year. While we don't have all the specifics at this time, I can tell you that they made it clear that they didn't expect anything from this offer, and that this wouldn't affect our negotiations as far as what we will be asking and expecting. This seems to be just a " good gesture " on the companies behalf and seems like a very good thing for our work group. The unions must sign off on this, and while it is not my call, I would assume we will as long as it ends up being what it appears to be. If anything changes on this, I will let you know."Mark Baskett"Since then, there is no indication to suggest otherwise.

That communication was 3 months ago. Honestly if it wasn't for you continuing to be paranoid about it, I would assume nothing about it at all. It wouldn't even be a seed plant in my mind.

There is zero reason not to say "sure, ok thanks" and they can still talk about securing it into language if they want.

Again you I swear are the ONLY person I've ever heard bring this up. You're on an empty Island paranoid that there are canibals on the other side that are going to come and try and eat you.

Take a chill pill Bro. Seriously.

 

[Tim Nelson]

And just why would the company need the permission of the association for this?

everything must be signed since we have representation.

 

[WeAAsles]

First off, the guy is an anti union Republican. I think he was appointed by George Bush to be chairman of the NMB. He isn't rendering a decision, he is offering a recommendation. He is a hired gun. He is NOT neutral and will do what the TWU/IAM pay him to do.Remember, this is his paid services. This guy is a Republican at that. So, not sure why weasel likes him. His decisions, as the NMB chairman, hammered our group back in 1989 and ordered an election that through the Teamsters off the property.Why the hell would the TWU/IAM align our seniority with a Republican???He got paid $60,000 by the IAM to screw the folks at sUA who got their lead status hammered.Anytime someone outside the group renders recommendations, especially arbitrators, they screw everything up.Given the association letter, there is a lot undefined. It can not be fair to have DOH class when one group has been adjusted while the other group has not.

"Likes him"

I don't know who the Hell the guy is? How can I like him?

Jeez.

 

[Tim Nelson]

That communication was 3 months ago. Honestly if it wasn't for you continuing to be paranoid about it, I would assume nothing about it at all. It wouldn't even be a seed plant in my mind.

There is zero reason not to say "sure, ok thanks" and they can still talk about securing it into language if they want.

Again you I swear are the ONLY person I've ever heard bring this up. You're on an empty Island paranoid that there are canibals on the other side that are going to come and try and eat you.

Take a chill pill Bro. Seriously.

Not sure why you always go personal. Not just against me but everyone entire on this board. You have somehow managed to color even Kev a bad guy.

Look, if you can't understand that the membership may find the information I or anyone provide as useful, then I can't help you. But for whatever reason, when anyone puts information on this board, if it didn't come from you, you flip out.

Regarding your boy Javits, he is an anti union prick. When Bush appointed him to the Chairman of the NMB, the Teamsters were on the property. His Republican lead NMB ruled against our union and ordered an election with a brand new ruling that countered previous cases. The rules of the election were a joke and US AIRWAYS violated our rights.

I had to personally fly up to the NMB and deal with Javits. He assigned someone to investigate my complaints. We received a rerun election but Javits sided with the anti union Morgan & Lewis when he refused to penalize the company for such violations and dismissed the Teamster appeal for a laker or key ballot.

This guy is evil, based on how he screwed our union back in 1989.

 

[WeAAsles]

And just why would the company need the permission of the association for this?

I don't "think" they really do? But as our paid representative it's more of a formality probably than anything else?

If a Football player wins the Super Bowl does he need his Union or his Agent to have to agree for him to accept the ring?

 

[robbedagain]

thanks for posting that   Tim      CB  or P Rez  or any of the negioators  if possible can you confirm if in fact the Association did sign off on the PS

 

[Tim Nelson]

I don't "think" they really do? But as our paid representative it's more of a formality probably than anything else?

If a Football player wins the Super Bowl does he need his Union or his Agent to have to agree for him to accept the ring?

you are clueless about the Law. Can you please just stop talking? I guess you know more than Parker does, because Parker erroneously thought he needed signed documents to complete the profit sharing plan.

 

[WeAAsles]

Not sure why you always go personal. Not just against me but everyone entire on this board. You have somehow managed to color even Kev a bad guy.Look, if you can't understand that the membership may find the information I or anyone provide as useful, then I can't help you. But for whatever reason, when anyone puts information on this board, if it didn't come from you, you flip out.Regarding your boy Javits, he is an anti union prick. When Bush appointed him to the Chairman of the NMB, the Teamsters were on the property. His Republican lead NMB ruled against our union and ordered an election with a brand new ruling that countered previous cases. The rules of the election were a joke and US AIRWAYS violated our rights.I had to personally fly up to the NMB and deal with Javits. He assigned someone to investigate my complaints. We received a rerun election but Javits sided with the anti union Morgan & Lewis when he refused to penalize the company for such violations and dismissed the Teamster appeal for a laker or key ballot.This guy is evil, based on how he screwed our union back in 1989.

I still like Kev. Just don't like that he has some type of relationship with you where he NEVER disagrees with you. I like 700UW as well but I've disagreed with him plenty of times publicly.

And any time you post your opinions (not factual information) and it's rants that come from the other side of crazy town I'm going to whack you for it and belittle the message you're trying to propel for what it is. Psycobabble.

As far as this guy Javits I have no opinion on him cause I've never had any personal experience with the man. So enjoy yourself there I guess.

 

[WeAAsles]

you are clueless about the Law. Can you please just stop talking? I guess you know more than Parker does, because Parker erroneously thought he needed signed documents to complete the profit sharing plan.

Maybe he does? Why do you think I quoted "I think" and a question mark.

If I'm not sure unlike you I don't try to sell the readers that I am sure if I'm not.

My ego isn't that large.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I still like Kev. Just don't like that he has some type of relationship with you where he NEVER disagrees with you. I like 700UW as well but I've disagreed with him plenty of times publicly.

And any time you post your opinions (not factual information) and it's rants that come from the other side of crazy town I'm going to whack you for it and belittle the message you're trying to propel for what it is. Psycobabble.

As far as this guy Javits I have no opinion on him cause I've never had any personal experience with the man. So enjoy yourself there I guess.

and it doesn't mean anything to you that Javits' rulings knocked our union off the property or that George Bush appointed him to lead the Republican NMB under Bush's reign? Don't you think Clinton would have left him as Chairman if he was for unions?

What is doubling troubling is that your boys hired him because they don't want to upset the company. This is a public issue as the MB amendment rights were waived and DFR's are made from cases like this. Since the Collective Bargaining Agent waived the McCaskill Bond Act by forming an alliance, they better have our rights and interest in mind. That should mean that seniority DOH Class is fair on both sides. If one side didn't have adjustments, then neither should the other side. What is known is that the LUS side had adjustments for layoffs, part time, etc. Same class, just adjustments to that class. It isn't fair to Piedmont peeps or any US AIRWAYS peep who was laid off and robbed of class seniority.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Maybe he does? Why do you think I quoted "I think" and a question mark.

If I'm not sure unlike you I don't try to sell the readers that I am sure if I'm not.

My ego isn't that large.

Well I am sure and Parker is sure. Stop building walls against good information. And stop busting personal attacks when people provide good information that the readers themselves can process.

 

[WeAAsles]

and it doesn't mean anything to you that Javits' rulings knocked our union off the property or that George Bush appointed him to lead the Republican NMB under Bush's reign? Don't you think Clinton would have left him as Chairman if he was for unions?What is doubling troubling is that your boys hired him because they don't want to upset the company. This is a public issue as the MB amendment rights were waived and DFR's are made from cases like this. Since the Collective Bargaining Agent waived the McCaskill Bond Act by forming an alliance, they better have our rights and interest in mind. That should mean that seniority DOH Class is fair on both sides. If one side didn't have adjustments, then neither should the other side. What is known is that the LUS side had adjustments for layoffs, part time, etc. Same class, just adjustments to that class. It isn't fair to Piedmont peeps or any US AIRWAYS peep who was laid off and robbed of class seniority.

I think I'll wait until the man puts out his personal communication to the membership as was conveyed in the last update before I pound my fists in anger at whatever the decision is.

Besides haven't you in the past affiliated yourself with Ford and Harrison and utilized their services. The most popular well known Union busting Law Firm in the Country. "Allied Ground Workers"

So what should I think about you? Or should I consider that the product of an ignorant and naive past young Tim Nelson and let bygones be bygones and you've matured since then?