JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

Word is it's for mega scanning.

Well if it creates jobs that's a good thing then. Just wondering how many people are going to be using their smartphones to watch every step their bag is going to take in its migration? Some portions of the scanning seem like overkill.

 

[Kev3188]

If it's like ours, it'll totally be overkill, but you'd be surprised at how much people like to check on their stuff...

 

[WeAAsles]

If it's like ours, it'll totally be overkill, but you'd be surprised at how much people like to check on their stuff...

Oh no people don't surprise me at all. It's like running a gauntlet now in the terminals trying to avoid all the obsessed people looking down at their phones as they walk.

Maybe we'll get "Bag Scanner" as a line bid spot? Imagine making $30 per hour just to scan bags all day? It certainly would be a very senior position.

BTW I was scanning packages for FedEx 25 years ago. The airlines are very late to that party.

 

[Traymark]

Happy 4th everyone!!
Since I celebrated with family yesterday, thought I would get on here in case anyone has questions. I just want to say about some post that many things will be mirrored to CS. For example I have read some post about holidays and that we will get the same as CS, so why are we taking so long to get this article done? Well I can tell you for sure, that presently, the company is not offering fleet the same thing as CS. If we achieve the same as CS currently has, it will be because of many back and forth exchanges with the company. Some posters seem to think that we can just go in and say " ok this is what we want " and the company says Ok. Well I can assure all of you that this doesn't happen. The company like I have said before, makes you claw and scratch for everything. Everyone needs to focus on where the fault lies. It is not with the union. Or the association. We are fine. But the company just doesn't give things to be giving them because they like us.

 
 

Worldport
You just copied my post. Please show me on there where I stated that our agreement will not be in the same ballpark as CS???? How did you get that out of my post? In fact, I would say that so far in the 20 + articles we have a t/a on, we will have a better contract than CS. As I would hope so, since they had to deal with the majority of their members at LAA not even being under a contract. Taking that into consideration, they did a good job. I was merely pointing out that some people have post as if 10 holidays is a given because CS has it. You might in the end be able to post that you were right all along and we end up with 10. I'm just telling everyone that's reading, that this is t isn't a given like many think. It will be after hours and hours of back and forth with the company.

 
 

Lol. I always pay attention. But no it wasn't you and your dispatch quote. Someone stated that it was basically a given that we would end up with the same holidays as CS so why was it taking so long. It takes so long because that's how long the company makes it. Plain and simple. And yes there will be many mirror images in the contract. There always has been, or your NC is t doing their job. But it isn't a given like some posters want others to believe. I'm sure everyone on dispatch and CS negotiating team will tell you that whatever they achieved in their contracts, did t come easy without many hours of back and forth with the company.

 
 
CB, I made the comment that we will get what Dispatchers got. 
I get what you are saying, how the company is stalling, it doesn't lessen one bit all of our frustration at the double standard the company uses, and the union doesn't call them out on,  in negotiations. If the union has called them out on it, I haven't heard about it.
In 2003, the company slapped their demands on the table and 56 days later, in large part, got most of it.
Wasn't a ton of back and forth, tearing of clothes and gnashing of teeth there.
Would have been nice if our NC back then would have at least insisted on snap back language for when the financials improved.
What we got was nothing while management got plenty.
 
I also certainly hope there is a case being made for some sort of retro to make up for the very long delay all the ground workers have had down this road.
How about a retro back to the start date of Negotiations, better than nothing at all, and it would make up for a lot of the current frustrations.

 

[robbedagain]

Great post Traymark.

 

[700UW]

You cant compare concessionary bargaining nor Section 1113 C bargaining to JCBA or Section 6 negotiations, its apples and oranges.

 

[AANOTOK]

You make it sound as though we should just shut up, sit there with our bib and eat what they feed us. Maybe you should learn to read between the lines in some of these folks comments who are actually waiting on a contract instead of taking every opportunity to pounce and criticize.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

Word is it's for mega scanning.

Hell, I'd be happy with a scanner that doesn't take a crap in the middle of a load out.

 

[Kev3188]

Wouldn't we all! Nice to know its not just us that has that problem...

 

[700UW]

Maybe you and others should educate yourself on the process instead of throwing stones all the time.

Section 6, JCBA are totally different than concessionary bargaining and Section 1113 C.
 
But you would rather attack me and others instead of taking the time to educate yourself on the process.
 
But its easier for you to attack me instead of getting educated on the process.
 
You and others are comparing apples to oranges.
 
You have TWO FSC Negotiators that post on here, and you dont even let it sink in on what they tell you and how the company is acting, you would rather blame the unions than the company.
 
The Association gave the company a full opener, and the company gave the Association nothing, yet you all stated Parker said they were ready and yet they werent, and you and others believe the company and not the union.
 
Where was outrage when they hired an outside consultant that is know for union busting to lead the negotiations for the company?
 

 

[robbedagain]

Scanners in our station suck. About 3/4 either are slow as snails or don't work....Sprint network for ya

 

[WeAAsles]

700UW the "main" people who contribute to this page get it by now. In negotiations anything and everything can be asked for though.

And the fact is I have to agree with Traymark. If the company negotiators can get a concessionary agreement (non BK) so fast, then the current obvious stall tactic is extremely annoying and complete BS. They know full well where their top line is and there's no reason our guys should have to scratch and claw for anything.

And the divide and conquer crap they're trying between us and maintenance is also complete BS. The company reps need to throw out that stupid old worn out playbook.

 

[Racer X]

 
 
 
 
 
 
CB, I made the comment that we will get what Dispatchers got. 
I get what you are saying, how the company is stalling, it doesn't lessen one bit all of our frustration at the double standard the company uses, and the union doesn't call them out on,  in negotiations. If the union has called them out on it, I haven't heard about it.
In 2003, the company slapped their demands on the table and 56 days later, in large part, got most of it.
Wasn't a ton of back and forth, tearing of clothes and gnashing of teeth there.
Would have been nice if our NC back then would have at least insisted on snap back language for when the financials improved.
What we got was nothing while management got plenty.
 
I also certainly hope there is a case being made for some sort of retro to make up for the very long delay all the ground workers have had down this road.
How about a retro back to the start date of Negotiations, better than nothing at all, and it would make up for a lot of the current frustrations.

I'm thinking that retro may not be the right term here.   Retro to my understanding is when the amendable date of your agreement has past and you are in negotiations.   As we are currently under contract [ LUS 2017 and LA 2018] ''retro'' may not apply..   But instead perhaps ''signing bonus''.....  All in all,  it would mean money in our pockets...   Also in regards to the 56 days in 2003 and the ''delay'' now..........The company acts much more quickly when they are TAKING as opposed to GIVING...   IMO  

 

[Worldport]

I'm thinking that retro may not be the right term here.   Retro to my understanding is when the amendable date of your agreement has past and you are in negotiations.   As we are currently under contract [ LUS 2017 and LA 2018] ''retro'' may not apply..   But instead perhaps ''signing bonus''.....  All in all,  it would mean money in our pockets...   Also in regards to the 56 days in 2003 and the ''delay'' now..........The company acts much more quickly when they are TAKING as opposed to GIVING...   IMO  

Did Passenger service and dispatchers get a bonus? If they didn't we won't

 

[Worldport]

700UW the "main" people who contribute to this page get it by now. In negotiations anything and everything can be asked for though.

And the fact is I have to agree with Traymark. If the company negotiators can get a concessionary agreement (non BK) so fast, then the current obvious stall tactic is extremely annoying and complete BS. They know full well where their top line is and there's no reason our guys should have to scratch and claw for anything.

And the divide and conquer crap they're trying between us and maintenance is also complete BS. The company reps need to throw out that stupid old worn out playbook.

Exactly what I've been saying all along they know what they are going to give us. The Association must have pissed them off somehow and now we wait. Odd that a company wouldn't want a happy, enthusiastic work group going into a merger. We are going to get  there eventually why not sooner.