July - IAM Fleet Service Discussions

[Ramp Rogue]

Seniority Protection is indeed paramount in contractual language regarding mergers or acquisitions. With the IAM it is a dove tailed seniority roster based on DOH.
ograc

WRONG! The iam does not go by a DOH Seniority System for US. Wherever you got that info, you were lied too! Ask any agc that you come across. Ask delany. Ask anyone hired US between 1984 & 1996.

Rogue.....

 

[700UW]

Funny I was hired in 1989, got doh and date of classification, the IAM always Dovetails.

Your pissed off because of the way seniority was handles for csa and fsa.

 

[Ramp Rogue]

Funny I was hired in 1989, got doh and date of classification, the IAM always Dovetails.

Your pissed off because of the way seniority was handles for csa and fsa.

You weren't a ramp agent. And you're definately not one now. At least with US you aren't. This topic concerns US ramp agents, and no one else. Stay out of grown folks business.
And learn the difference between you're & your.

Rogue.....

 

[700UW]

I was hired as a ramp agent in air cargo, got my DOH for travel and vacation, when I went to maintenance I got date of classification for shift and and bid area, DOH was still for vacation and travel.

So try again.

 

[Kev3188]

I was hired as a ramp agent in air cargo, got my DOH for travel and vacation, when I went to maintenance I got date of classification for shift and and bid area, DOH was still for vacation and travel.

So try again.

Correct.

AFAIK, classification seniority (with DOH for vacation/sick/OJI accrual, travel, and service credit) is the position the IAM always advocates for...

 

[bagchucker]

... and THAT is what needs to be protected!!!

Won't settle for some arbitrator who thinks it's fair to discount even ONE DAY from someone's hard earned seniority. Remember it wasn't his blood, sweat, and tears spent to earn that seniority, don't let him rule against YOU, as he sits in his air conditioned cubicle thinking of ways to make a merger look pretty to the higher ups. We've been sold out a few too many times, and I know I won't go easy if someone tries to shove a 5yrs for your 20yrs down my throat!! Just saying...

 

[ograc]

... and THAT is what needs to be protected!!!

Won't settle for some arbitrator who thinks it's fair to discount even ONE DAY from someone's hard earned seniority. Remember it wasn't his blood, sweat, and tears spent to earn that seniority, don't let him rule against YOU, as he sits in his air conditioned cubicle thinking of ways to make a merger look pretty to the higher ups. We've been sold out a few too many times, and I know I won't go easy if someone tries to shove a 5yrs for your 20yrs down my throat!! Just saying...

No front line employee should experience a seniority advantage or disadvantage based on who's airline is doing the acquiring. At least not a represented employee. IMO... it sends a message that one group is better than the other... while placing both groups in one labor organization. Talk about starting out with a divisive issue. Let's leave the advantage/disadvantage to the suit and ties. Their the ones who believe in merit and self promotion.
ograc

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

You should see the boning the Air Tran mechanics got from their fellow mechanics at Southwest..

 

[blue collar]

You should see the boning the Air Tran mechanics got from their fellow mechanics at Southwest..

The boning that the air tran mechanics voted for?

 

[ograc]

You should see the boning the Air Tran mechanics got from their fellow mechanics at Southwest..

Hey we all know Southwest and their employees are better than the rest of the industry. Strange kool aid they must be drinking. Many on the ramp at SWA feel they got boned.They feel seniority integration should have been 5 to 1... after all they were the acquiring carrier.
Quick question... How many support this point of view?
ograc

 

[blue collar]

Hey we all know Southwest and their employees are better than the rest of the industry. Strange kool aid they must be drinking. Many on the ramp at SWA feel they got boned.They feel seniority integration should have been 5 to 1... after all they were the acquiring carrier.
Quick question... How many support this point of view?
ograc

They agreed to binding arbitration, it is what it is. Are you sure you have your 5 to 1 facts right? That's worse than what TWA got with AA. I think they were hoping for a 5 year boost?

-EDIT- I also find it ironic that an AA employee calls it a 'boning' that the FL mechanics voted in, while his TWA peers' seniority was adjusted under Kasher. While yes, it was arbitrated, THAT was a boning.

 

[psa8979]

We are All Airline Workers. No one should loose any Classification Seniority because of the consolidation,greed and collusion by Wall Street and Corporations merging Airlines after 1978 De-regulation Act. Division and Apathy by Union Members is what Management is counting on ! Contracts and HIRE DATE for ALL !

 

[roabilly]

We are All Airline Workers. No one should loose any Classification Seniority because of the consolidation,greed and collusion by Wall Street and Corporations merging Airlines after 1978 De-regulation Act. Division and Apathy by Union Members is what Management is counting on ! Contracts and HIRE DATE for ALL !

Date of hire within a classification is really simple…

For instance… if you were hired into the Fleet Service Classification from the onset, and you have never worked any other classification… your date of hire should be honored.

During the 90’s… a trend of penalizing workers by forcing them to part-time status, and then consequently adjusting their bidding seniority at 50% for the time served in that capacity has created an inequity that has yet to be reconciled by any agreement. This is known as “Adjusted Classification” or as it is now being called… Classification Seniority.

This should never happen again, and I’m confident that the current team is more than aware of this.

As far as integration with another carrier goes… who knows what the history regarding seniority for any given employee IS… or WAS within that carrier!

Keep it simple…

Date Of Hire… with language that eliminates time served as a management!

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

-EDIT- I also find it ironic that an AA employee calls it a 'boning' that the FL mechanics voted in, while his TWA peers' seniority was adjusted under Kasher. While yes, it was arbitrated, THAT was a boning.

Voted in under exterme duress with your management having an active role in the proceedings apparently.I read through the thread on the WN board, lots of wailing about having the FL guys reapply, get stapled outright,go back on probation or simply lose their jobs altogether.

An arbitrated decision is what it is.

No one at AA got a 12 year seniority 'boost' over any TWA guy.

 

[blue collar]

Voted in under exterme duress with your management having an active role in the proceedings apparently.I read through the thread on the WN board, lots of wailing about having the FL guys reapply, get stapled outright,go back on probation or simply lose their jobs altogether.

An arbitrated decision is what it is.

No one at AA got a 12 year seniority 'boost' over any TWA guy.

Just like no one at WN got a 12 year boost. Mechanics got a 4 year boost. Seems like the FL people were ok with that in order to get the big raise with WN.