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luvthe9 said:
Everyone needs to read the lastest CLT Domicle update, it's very informitive as to what's really going on. TRANSPARENCY "NOT" Get a deal at any cost, you bet.
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I read it...more pot calling the kettle black. What about the last 5 years??? NOTHING happened...NOTHING. Are you so dillusional that you think the company is going to sign USAPA a blank check regarding future operations? You and McKee can take the hard line and have the company freeze us out of the process...AGAIN. Every time one of these little union "miscalculations" takes place, your boys shrug there shoulders and leave the rest of us holding the bag. Millions spent on lawsuits for nothing. More FPL than was EVER conceived and related when USAPA took over. Stipens??????????

It's not "get a deal at any cost". It's walking around the nay sayers, whiners, obstructionists, and chicken littles. It's just like the 190 threat. NOWHERE is any mention of selling 319s to buy 190s. Yeah, they want to park some old West 319s and replace them with A321s. THAT'S where the money is. THAT'S the plan that will keep the dough rolling in. We are getting more A330s and A321s next year AND the year after. And, yes we did buy back 5 190s from Republic. Big freakin deal.

LOA93 is NOT a good deal!

Driver...
 
luvthe9 said:
Everyone needs to read the lastest CLT Domicle update, it's very informitive as to what's really going on. TRANSPARENCY "NOT" Get a deal at any cost, you bet.
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DO NOT read the CLT update. Complete BS.

Our west reps suggest you follow DCA's updated. And remember, do the OPPOSITE of what luv recommends and you'll be just fine.
 
A320 Driver said:
I read it...more pot calling the kettle black. What about the last 5 years??? NOTHING happened...NOTHING. Are you so dillusional that you think the company is going to sign USAPA a blank check regarding future operations? You and McKee can take the hard line and have the company freeze us out of the process...AGAIN. Every time one of these little union "miscalculations" takes place, your boys shrug there shoulders and leave the rest of us holding the bag. Millions spent on lawsuits for nothing. More FPL than was EVER conceived and related when USAPA took over. Stipens??????????

It's not "get a deal at any cost". It's walking around the nay sayers, whiners, obstructionists, and chicken littles. It's just like the 190 threat. NOWHERE is any mention of selling 319s to buy 190s. Yeah, they want to park some old West 319s and replace them with A321s. THAT'S where the money is. THAT'S the plan that will keep the dough rolling in. We are getting more A330s and A321s next year AND the year after. And, yes we did buy back 5 190s from Republic. Big freakin deal.

LOA93 is NOT a good deal!

Driver...
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There ya go luv. Another one of your fellow east pilots who knows you're FoS.

So STFU and go back to eating your chicken.
 

  • THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS. Remember those words? They were the words used to explain how a few (4) ALPA LEC Reps, in secret and without a majority of pilots to support them was able to work their magic in secret to give us LOA 93.

    Back then, the company offered us a better contract. But these masters of intellect decided among themselves that they knew better and rejected that contact against the advice of our lawyers and the rest of the LEC. What did the company do? They offered us an even more odious contract. The geniuses we had representing us said, "Hey, you aren't supposed to do that. You offer a contract, we reject it and you offer us a better contract. That's how the game is played!" But the company had an ace up it's sleeve. It knew that the end game was that if the company went back into bankruptcy without an agreed to pilot contract, the judge would have to pick from two choices under the then 1113E Bankruptcy Rules. One was to accept whatever the company offerred, make no changes to it and impose it on the pilots. The other was to decide to just liquidate the company. After these wonder boys we had realized that they had fallen into a trap of their own making, they 'allowed' us to vote on the odious contract we have today known as LOA 93. How much money have we lost? Each pilot here has lost hundreds of thousand of dollars because the LOA 943 that we have vs the one we could have had, and how about those quality of life work rules we now work under?

    So once again, the end justifies the means. Against the USAPA Constitution and By-Laws, the very same people are once again huddled in secret, deciding the future for the rest of us. They may be able to fix some of the problems that the merger would bring us or they may make it worse. But whatever happens, it's also how it happened that matters because we will never know if our NAC Committee, along with the BPR and the other Officers, working in unison could have made it better. What we will have is whatever is done in secret by a few people.

    The person I am most disappointed with is Steve Bradford. I believed in the vision that Steve gave us when selling USAPA as an alternative to ALPA. A union of transparency, of oneness, a union of the pilots and for the pilots and one of strict rules to guide us. One that had a duly elected Board that would direct the committees and work collectively for the pilots here. Instead we have a President that has kept vital information from the NAC and the BPR, all against the rule of law.

    By his own silence at what is happening, Bradford is condoning the behavior of Gary Hummel and Dave Ciabattoni to act unilaterally and secretly. The firing of our Negotiating Committee Chairman because he objected to this behavior and at the demand of Scott Kirby should have caused Bradford to stand up and say, "Not again and especially not with me involved. To those that voted for Bradford because you believed that he would guard against this behavior, I now ask you to ask him to explain. Or will he tell you "the end justifies the means."

    We will have to await for the details of these secret meetings. Will we ever know if we could have done better? Probably not. They are keeping it a secret just in case.

    Sometimes you just have to shake your head and say to yourself. 'Maybe we deserve what we get because we keep making the same mistakes and expect a different outcome.' Wait, isn't that the definition of.......! Oh well, you know the
 
luvthe9 said:
  • THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS. Remember those words? They were the words used to explain how a few (4) ALPA LEC Reps, in secret and without a majority of pilots to support them was able to work their magic in secret to give us LOA 93.

    Back then, the company offered us a better contract. But these masters of intellect decided among themselves that they knew better and rejected that contact against the advice of our lawyers and the rest of the LEC. What did the company do? They offered us an even more odious contract. The geniuses we had representing us said, "Hey, you aren't supposed to do that. You offer a contract, we reject it and you offer us a better contract. That's how the game is played!" But the company had an ace up it's sleeve. It knew that the end game was that if the company went back into bankruptcy without an agreed to pilot contract, the judge would have to pick from two choices under the then 1113E Bankruptcy Rules. One was to accept whatever the company offerred, make no changes to it and impose it on the pilots. The other was to decide to just liquidate the company. After these wonder boys we had realized that they had fallen into a trap of their own making, they 'allowed' us to vote on the odious contract we have today known as LOA 93. How much money have we lost? Each pilot here has lost hundreds of thousand of dollars because the LOA 943 that we have vs the one we could have had, and how about those quality of life work rules we now work under?

    So once again, the end justifies the means. Against the USAPA Constitution and By-Laws, the very same people are once again huddled in secret, deciding the future for the rest of us. They may be able to fix some of the problems that the merger would bring us or they may make it worse. But whatever happens, it's also how it happened that matters because we will never know if our NAC Committee, along with the BPR and the other Officers, working in unison could have made it better. What we will have is whatever is done in secret by a few people.

    The person I am most disappointed with is Steve Bradford. I believed in the vision that Steve gave us when selling USAPA as an alternative to ALPA. A union of transparency, of oneness, a union of the pilots and for the pilots and one of strict rules to guide us. One that had a duly elected Board that would direct the committees and work collectively for the pilots here. Instead we have a President that has kept vital information from the NAC and the BPR, all against the rule of law.

    By his own silence at what is happening, Bradford is condoning the behavior of Gary Hummel and Dave Ciabattoni to act unilaterally and secretly. The firing of our Negotiating Committee Chairman because he objected to this behavior and at the demand of Scott Kirby should have caused Bradford to stand up and say, "Not again and especially not with me involved. To those that voted for Bradford because you believed that he would guard against this behavior, I now ask you to ask him to explain. Or will he tell you "the end justifies the means."

    We will have to await for the details of these secret meetings. Will we ever know if we could have done better? Probably not. They are keeping it a secret just in case.

    Sometimes you just have to shake your head and say to yourself. 'Maybe we deserve what we get because we keep making the same mistakes and expect a different outcome.' Wait, isn't that the definition of.......! Oh well, you know the
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Just curious. Are you the actual author of this post?

Or are you just posting these with the author's permission?

If you are not the author perhaps you should give credit where credit is due....
 
luvthe9 said:
  • THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS. Remember those words? They were the words used to explain how a few (4) ALPA LEC Reps, in secret and without a majority of pilots to support them was able to work their magic in secret to give us LOA 93.

    Back then, the company offered us a better contract. But these masters of intellect decided among themselves that they knew better and rejected that contact against the advice of our lawyers and the rest of the LEC. What did the company do? They offered us an even more odious contract. The geniuses we had representing us said, "Hey, you aren't supposed to do that. You offer a contract, we reject it and you offer us a better contract. That's how the game is played!" But the company had an ace up it's sleeve. It knew that the end game was that if the company went back into bankruptcy without an agreed to pilot contract, the judge would have to pick from two choices under the then 1113E Bankruptcy Rules. One was to accept whatever the company offerred, make no changes to it and impose it on the pilots. The other was to decide to just liquidate the company. After these wonder boys we had realized that they had fallen into a trap of their own making, they 'allowed' us to vote on the odious contract we have today known as LOA 93. How much money have we lost? Each pilot here has lost hundreds of thousand of dollars because the LOA 943 that we have vs the one we could have had, and how about those quality of life work rules we now work under?

    So once again, the end justifies the means. Against the USAPA Constitution and By-Laws, the very same people are once again huddled in secret, deciding the future for the rest of us. They may be able to fix some of the problems that the merger would bring us or they may make it worse. But whatever happens, it's also how it happened that matters because we will never know if our NAC Committee, along with the BPR and the other Officers, working in unison could have made it better. What we will have is whatever is done in secret by a few people.

    The person I am most disappointed with is Steve Bradford. I believed in the vision that Steve gave us when selling USAPA as an alternative to ALPA. A union of transparency, of oneness, a union of the pilots and for the pilots and one of strict rules to guide us. One that had a duly elected Board that would direct the committees and work collectively for the pilots here. Instead we have a President that has kept vital information from the NAC and the BPR, all against the rule of law.

    By his own silence at what is happening, Bradford is condoning the behavior of Gary Hummel and Dave Ciabattoni to act unilaterally and secretly. The firing of our Negotiating Committee Chairman because he objected to this behavior and at the demand of Scott Kirby should have caused Bradford to stand up and say, "Not again and especially not with me involved. To those that voted for Bradford because you believed that he would guard against this behavior, I now ask you to ask him to explain. Or will he tell you "the end justifies the means."

    We will have to await for the details of these secret meetings. Will we ever know if we could have done better? Probably not. They are keeping it a secret just in case.

    Sometimes you just have to shake your head and say to yourself. 'Maybe we deserve what we get because we keep making the same mistakes and expect a different outcome.' Wait, isn't that the definition of.......! Oh well, you know the
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Gee, USAPA didn't turn out like you planned?

:lol: :lol: :lol: G.F.Y. Scab!!!!
 
So a supporter of arguably the most corrupt union leader in the history of pilot labor, is feigning shock and awe at claims of secrecy by his opponent? Cleary should be in prison.

Hummel? Well you east guys seem to like sleeping in the same lumpy cockroach infested bed you make time after time.
 
luvthe9 said:
AA term sheet. and there 195"s not 190's try to go to a meeting
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I don't think anyone is saying the AA term sheet is proposing SELLING A320s to get 195s. An accusation like that would be a red herring trying to muddy the water.

No matter how many distracters are put out there, the issue is still scope and there are plenty of MD80s that are gonna be parked and replaced.
 
Well that is quite a little rant you posted luv. I will not bother quoting it.

There are so many things to say but I will only say one.

You guys should have vote for Ferguson and Koontz. You get what you deserve.
 
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