July - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Here's the problem with what you're trying to say. The award used fundamentally the same methodology as the one before it and the two after it. The only insanity that exists here is in the minds of some East pilots.

Longevity is not seniority. I've used this example a dozen times to prove it. If you were the last pilot hired for 10 years are you anymore senior at year 10 than year 1? The answer is no, you're still the junior pilot after 10 years. You have no more seniority than you did at year 1.

If you want to fight the award, fine, but don't insult me or yourself by saying it's because of principle.

Four seniority arbitrations in a row proves that it's not.

I would call WEBSTER and have them reprint their dictionary
se·nior·i·ty
noun \sēn-ˈyȯr-ə-tē, -ˈyär-\







Definition of SENIORITY



1

: the quality or state of being senior : priority


2

: a privileged status attained by length of continuous service (as in a company)


See seniority defined for English-language learners »


See seniority defined for kids »

 

[nic4us]

I would call WEBSTER and have them reprint their dictionary
se·nior·i·ty
noun \sēn-ˈyȯr-ə-tē, -ˈyär-\







Definition of SENIORITY



1

: the quality or state of being senior : priority


2

: a privileged status attained by length of continuous service (as in a company)

There is nothing conflicting between trader's post and webster's definition.

What is conflicted is your understanding of what actually happened.

 

[luvthe9]

There is nothing conflicting between trader's post and webster's definition.

What is conflicted is your understanding of what actually happened.

Well, you seem to be in disagreement with the 9th. From my I pad at the beach........

 

[doh nogo]

From my I pad at the beach........

Anyone else notice the constant need to convince us that he's at the beach, over and over and over again?

Hey luv, I really don't care if you're posting from the International Space Station, or the bathroom for that matter. Why the need to talk about yourself so much??? Craving attention, are we? I bet you tweet about every bowel movement on Twitter, don't you?

What's truly sad (for your family, if you really have one) is that you visit this cesspool while on "vacation" at the shore. Your family must REALLY bore you, or your life is so pathetic that you have nothing better to do for entertainment while on "vacation."

From my laptop on the crapper at my layover hotel, in case anyone is interested in ME!

 

[doh nogo]

Were the radical and incredibly flippant changes, (made clearly for the appeasement of UAL and perhaps others), to alpa's laughable excuse for a most mutable "merger policy"

Ah yes. The East MO... always someone else to blame for your perceived misfortune. Always the victim. You guys certainly have that act down.

And of course you name big bad UAL as the bane of your existence. Perhaps a Freudian slip? Your other screen name wouldn't happen to be luvthe9 would it?

Last I saw, ALPA merger policy was changed by majority rules, a concept you claim to espouse... until it doesn't suit your needs any longer. Yet it has worked for every other merger in recent history.

 

[Barrister]

Wrong, the 18 year pilot and the new hire had the same seniority on the same airplane.

What is wrong is trying to make a Reserve F/O senior to a Captain on the same airplane.

Hey traitor answer me this: Do you agree with NIC when he wrote, and I paraphrase here, that U pilots had no career expectations??

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[azdryheat]

show me where my signature was placed?..Or even my vote EVER cast? Did ANY of us ever even have a vote in that politically expedient insanity?....NO? OK then; Show me where I, or ANY of us, east or west, personally made any "mutually agreed" upon contract to have a select few incompetents, and with them, the whims of a solo arbitrator, determine the entire issue in the first place?

Your "signature" is when you accepted ALPA as your bargaining agent. Just like you took the great contracts they negotiated in the 1980's although you never actually signed them (although you did get to vote). Not everything in any union requires a vote of the membership. After all these years you certainly know that. The agreement was mutually made and you can't escape that by trying to be ignorant.

 

[traderjake]

Hey traitor answer me this: Do you agree with NIC when he wrote, and I paraphrase here, that U pilots had no career expectations??

I think the absent the merger liquidation was the larger probability. I think at the time West pilots had better expectations than we did.

What your point, Barsitter?

 

[spike99]

Starting to catch on? "Similar" as in within 1/4 to 1/3 pilots per line and over the traditional 1.5 pilots per line. That's back through the last bid of last year - since the older bids are on my home computer and not available on Wings, that's as far as I can go back until I get home.

So as I said, overstaffing the 190 is nothing new. By how much varies a little, more when new hires come on board then dropping as people move from the 190 until they hire again. So where are the 190's such over-staffing is supposed to be an indicator of? They should have been here at least a year ago...

On the other hand, age 65 retirements start in December so which is more likely - US expanding the fleet with a merger possible or this hiring is to get people trained as replacements for those that will be moving from the 190 in greater numbers as attrition kicks in?

Besides, in typical fashion you took my guess (and that's all I said it was) and converted it to some kind of prediction guaranteed to be accurate. All for no other reason than to argue that you know better...

Jim

Jim
On numerous occassions you've said the east attrition isn't worth anything. So how does this effect anything, or were you WRONG about the attrition, and it's effect.

Spike

 

[BoeingBoy]

Why do I have the sudden urge to just reach for a fly swatter? 😉

It shouldn't be surprising that your BS attracts flies...

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

Jim
On numerous occassions you've said the east attrition isn't worth anything. So how does this effect anything, or were you WRONG about the attrition, and it's effect.

Spike

You've got me confused with someone else - I've never said the the east attrition was worth nothing. What I have said is that lots of inflated numbers get thrown around when it comes to attrition that results in upward movement. That meaningful attrition is about 2 east to 1 west, or about what the Nic provides.

Jim

 

[nic4us]

Well, you seem to be in disagreement with the 9th. From my I pad at the beach........

That made me laugh so hard....

Suggestion...although I am sure the grandkid had a great time playing in the sand...next time go where there is decent sand.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

That airline was a drag on the industry for years. Internationally. It was the first to get money in 2001. Tell us another lie. The CEO cannot merge to save his life. Again.

First to pay it back...with interest while your scrap heap was going back into Chapter 11, soon to be followed by Chapter 7 before you were rescued.

 

[nic4us]

Hey traitor answer me this: Do you agree with NIC when he wrote, and I paraphrase here, that U pilots had no career expectations??

NICDOA
NPJB

You are paraphrasing alright...Nicolau did not say U pilots had no career expectation...he said it was considerably less than the AWA pilots though.

Now if by NIC you meant NIC4...yeah..I said your career at U had the life expectancy of an 89 year old comatose billionaire who's 40 year old gold digger wife was just asked if they should pull the plug.

Get with the program babysitter...um...I meant barrister...the Nic is a fair integration.

 

[nic4us]

Well, you seem to be in disagreement with the 9th. From my I pad at the beach........

Laughed so hard...I forgot to ask....

What does the 9th have to do with Webster and the definition of seniority?