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Repaid and Terminated
In connection with the consummation of the Loan, on March 31, 2006, the proceeds of the Loan were used, in part, to repay in full the following indebtedness:
, dated September 27, 2005 (as amended, supplemented or otherwise modified), among US Airways, Inc. ("US Airways"), as, the Air Transportation Stabilization Board (the "ATSB"), the lenders party to the agreement from time to time, Citibank, N.A., as Agent, Wilmington Trust Company, as Collateral Agent, Citicorp North America, Inc., as Govco Administrative Agent, US Airways Group and certain subsidiaries of US Airways Group party to the agreement;

o the Amended and Restated Loan Agreement, dated September 27, 2005 (as amended, supplemented or otherwise modified), among America West Airlines, Inc. ("AWA"), as borrower, the ATSB, the lenders party to the agreement from time to time, Citibank, N.A., as Agent, Wilmington Trust Company, as Collateral Agent, and US Airways Group, Inc., and certain subsidiaries of US Airways Group party to the agreement;

o the $161,000,000 Loan Agreement (the "$161 million Loan"), dated as of September 27, 2005 (as amended, supplemented or otherwise modified), among US Airways and AWA, as borrowers, US Airways Group, as guarantor, Airbus Financial Services, as initial lender and loan agent, and Wells Fargo Bank Northwest, National Association, as collateral agent;

o the Loan Agreement (Spare Parts), dated as of September 3, 2004 (as amended, supplemented or otherwise modified), among AWA, as borrower, General Electric Capital Corporation, as administrative agent, General Electric Capital Corporation, as original series A lender and as original series B lender, Wells Fargo Bank Northwest, National Association, as security trustee, and the lenders from time to time party thereto; and

o the Loan Agreement (Engines), dated as of September 3, 2004 (as amended, supplemented or otherwise modified), among AWA, as borrower, General Electric Capital Corporation, as administrative agent, General Electric Capital Corporation, as original series A lender and as original series B lender, Wells Fargo Bank Northwest, National Association, as security trustee, and the lenders from time to time party thereto.

In addition, the $89,000,000 Loan Agreement, dated as of September 27, 2005 (as amended, supplemented or otherwise modified), among US Airways and AWA, as borrowers, US Airways Group, as guarantor, Airbus Financial Services, as initial lender and loan agent, and Wells Fargo Bank Northwest, National Association, as collateral agent, was terminated on March 31, 2006.

All obligations of the obligors under each of the foregoing repaid or terminated indebtedness have been terminated (other than those that survive by the terms of the respective agreements).
 
Everyone has the right to be wrong, including you.

The job each pilot brought to the merger is more important than the time it took him to get that job.

Your method of seniority integration hasn't been used in 20 year so yes, that does make the last four the "wave of the future".

In the mean time your being wrong is costing us a lot of money and time away from our families..

I don't have any problem with the "job you brought to the merger" part of the Nic. It's the rapid shift of relative position from east to west going forward that confounds me. Did yiou read the Pan Am / Nat notes I posted? I think ge did a better job.
 
I don't have any problem with the "job you brought to the merger" part of the Nic. It's the rapid shift of relative position from east to west going forward that confounds me. Did yiou read the Pan Am / Nat notes I posted? I think ge did a better job.
No I did not read the notes, 'llI see if I can find them.

I agree that the upgrades should have been proportional to the attrition.

Having said that it's entirely our fault for not coming off DOH after we were told we were not going to get it.
 
Everyone has the right to be wrong, including you.

The job each pilot brought to the merger is more important than the time it took him to get that job.

This is just your opinion, and I agree...you have the right to be wrong. However, this is not about how long it took a pilot to get a job, it's about how long he held that job before some newhire tries to take it away from him.

Regardless of whether it's a 10 yr pilot vs. a 1 yr pilot.....or a 20 yr pilot vs. a 10 yr pilot, you still have to weigh the amount of time devoted to the job by the senior pilot. Unless you are just plain stupid, you understand the sacrifices it take to do this job on the home front.

Your arguments on 1) 4 arbritrations being successfully slotted (with your spin)....and 2) senority vs longetivity are getting old and hold no water!

breeze
 
Yep...that is what happens when you go in debt....you owe something to someone else. In this case usapa is in debt to me.

Well that's a bit of a relief. From the overall tone of your postings; I'd have thought it was the entire world that was "in debt" to or otherwise "owed" you...probably since your birth I'd guess 😉 I remember your previous notions of expecting, literally, in your words; "Billions" in "damages" One simply can't help but be amused at such an overwhelming sense of entitlement 😉
 
I know this was not in reply to me, but.....I never joined usapa....never accepted its C&BLs....never authorized it to speak for me in any way shape or form.

Further, and this is the kicker....usapa still owes me a DFR, and I have an arbitrated result with the other pilots usapa owes a DFR.

Sigh! After all these years now..well...help me out with all this.So...let me see if I have this right: You (of course) have zero responsibility for ANY of the actions of your legally elected union, nor do any of your west folks whatsoever, (who are indeed, held hostage to it as a condition of employment...just like with alpa), BUT, it naturally follows that, not only did each and every east pilot (personally, mind you) magically "agree" to any and all aspects of alpa's perverse proceedings, and, as I've been told here; apparently to even placing their personal "signatures" on all such nonsense, but are also additonally "honor" bound to "man up" and display personal "integrity" by just mindlessly bowing down to, and servilely accepting all such crap? Is that really what I'm actually being told here? 😉 If any of you even slightly believed your own BS; you would be bowing down to USAPA's sometimes bizarre doings...and be "honor" bound, and fully demonstrative of your "integrity" to do so! 😉

Oh! Sorry...I almost forgot to include that fact that everybody "owes you" something or other...especially the union you so despise, and wish to destroy 😉

ROTFLMAO....Seriously; this psychotic BS couldn't even be made into acceptable material for comic books 😉
 
This is just your opinion, and I agree...you have the right to be wrong.
No it's not just my opinion, it's also the opinion of the neutral, professionally trained arbitrators that did the last four pilot seniority arbitrations.

You're starting making a fool of yourself again
 
Having said that it's entirely our fault for not coming off DOH after we were told we were not going to get it.

That is one of the most ridiculous thoughts thrown around on this board. As YOU said, we hired Nicolau to produce a fair and equitable SL. We had already shown that we couldn't do it. Why did us not "changing our minds" have anything to do with it?

The Pan Am arbitrator said he could not continue the slot at the bottom of the list because the disparities in age and LONGEVITY would not be fair. Sound familiar?
 
That is one of the most ridiculous thoughts thrown around on this board. As YOU said, we hired Nicolau to produce a fair and equitable SL. We had already shown that we couldn't do it. Why did us not "changing our minds" have anything to do with it?

The Pan Am arbitrator said he could not continue the slot at the bottom of the list because the disparities in age and LONGEVITY would not be fair. Sound familiar?
Guess you guys should have held out for that arbitrator. Oh well.

Nicolau was the guy we picked. His decision our list.
 
With the money raised from the MERGER! Along with the original US Airways. Amazing.

Nope - as 700 says, the ATSB-backed loan was paid back with the money from another loan furnished by GECAS, which itself was paid off with the money from a loan by Citi. That's the Citi loan MM mentions as being due for repayment in either 2013 or 2014 (I forget which). The ATSB-backed loan was NOT repaid with the money raised from outside investors for the merger.

It really doesn't matter except that an eastie took a swipe at the westies for AWA being the first to be approved for an ATSB-backed loan. Of course, you didn't take exception to that post...

Jim
 
No it's not just my opinion, it's also the opinion of the neutral, professionally trained arbitrators that did the last four pilot seniority arbitrations.

You're starting making a fool of yourself again

Only a fool would believe and repeatedly preach your point of view when of the 4 arbitrations, only 2 are successfully in effect today.

What, no argument about the seniority/longevity issue?

Try to stay on the subject.

breeze
 
Just more lies by the lying scum-sucking POS...

Arrrgh! A touch!...The sublime subtlety of that lightning-like riposte strikes home to the very heart! 😉 Feel perfectly free to find anything I've been "lying" about......?
 
It really doesn't matter except that an eastie took a swipe at the westies for AWA being the first to be approved for an ATSB-backed loan. Of course, you didn't take exception to that post...


"..... doesn't matter except that an eastie took a swipe at the westies..."....? I see.

And of course, as always; you felt yourself instantly compelled to defend any even imaginable slight to the sacred west, while once again denigrating a former coworker of yours for many years. Whew! There's an interesting clinical case study of this type behavior I can reference for you, if you would be interested.
 
weigh the amount of time devoted to the job by the senior pilot. Unless you are just plain stupid, you understand the sacrifices it take to do this job on the home front.

Unless, of course, it's the Shuttle pilots. Then it's "Hold on, this is different. They should be integrated by pay rate."

In other words, the mantra changes to fit what helps the east the most. DOH with PSA/PI (interestingly, I was told directly by a former PSA LEC officer that they wanted relative position till the PI merger was announced and then saw the benefits that would come with DOH so took the short-term pain for the long-term gain), pay rate with the Shuttle, back to DOH for AWA. Yes indeed, some "principal" most easties have...

Jim
 
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