July - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

Are you using the Nic? Have any of us had a raise? Can uhaul fly out of CLT? Nope.

The alternative that led to a very expensive delay.

Calm down Pi. You'll be having BBQ at my house in Davidson in a few years. We can watch MM fling his poo.

 

[Pi brat]

Calm down Pi. You'll be having BBQ at my house in Davidson in a few years. We can watch MM fling his poo.

Calm as a cucumber uhaul. Just poking sticks in the cages.

Just a little heads up before you head east. We don't BBQ on a little grill outside. Barbecue is a chopped pork product.

I thought you were going to let the rug rats finish school in PHX.

 

[Pi brat]

Man you've gone into idiot mode.

Thanks for the welcome, you've been there a while.

 

[Pi brat]

Your belief is that final and binding arbitration is not intended to really be FINAL AND BINDING but to somehow offer alternatives to the FINAL decision.

What's wrong with you? Were you dropped on your head as a baby or something?

Has this thing worked out the way you thought it would the day you read the Nicolau award. If not, then there were obviously alternate outcomes.

 

[Phoenix]

I really don't understand this talk about scabbing and stealing jobs. Management had to shut down LAS because it was bleeding money. They moved all of you to PHX where today, much of your flying is actually East flying, but it keeps you above minimum fleet count. You are getting as much benefit as anyone out of this merger. I suppose it depends how you look at it, but that is my take on it. If I'm wrong, show me the numbers and show me where the West generated all that flying, ON IT'S OWN, to replace what was lost.

This is a serious question and NOT flamebait.

Driver...

One peek at the PHX AirBus trips and I was shocked at how many traditional East routes make up their trips. They may as well move to CLT!

 

[A320 Driver]

One peek at the PHX AirBus trips and I was shocked at how many traditional East routes make up their trips. They may as well move to CLT!

That's kind of my point. So much flying has been moved West to keep their head above water and still I read where the East has raped and pilaged the West flying. I don't get it. And when I ask these questions, I either get insulted or get no answer at all. I wouldn't even ask except that I read post after post about scabbing and taking something from the West. Take WHAT? Scab WHAT? What is it that we have that West wants so badly other than seniority?

Driver...

 

[john john]

What benefit is it that you would like to share?

Driver...

A330 & B767

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

A330 & B767

" I believe we have a winner!"

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

MM is on managements side, he just doesn't realize it.

He's fought for five years to keep us on LOA 93.

[background=transparent]DAVIDSON is a place where we don't like to fight, so we get people to do our fighting for us while we watch NASCAR and eat BBQ! MM
[/background]​

 

[luvthe9]

MM is on managements side, he just doesn't realize it.

He's fought for five years to keep us on LOA 93.

I bet you are one of the wussies that voted for LOA93 so stop your whining, you voted for it LIVE WITH IT!!!!!.

 

[luvthe9]

That's kind of my point. So much flying has been moved West to keep their head above water and still I read where the East has raped and pilaged the West flying. I don't get it. And when I ask these questions, I either get insulted or get no answer at all. I wouldn't even ask except that I read post after post about scabbing and taking something from the West. Take WHAT? Scab WHAT? What is it that we have that West wants so badly other than seniority?

Driver...

THE UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT
FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA
ALEXANDRIA DIVISION
)
)
2005


In re:
US AIRWAYS, INC., et al.,
Debtors-in-Possession.
)
Case No. 04-13819
Jointly Administered
Chapter 11
Hon. Stephen S. Mitchell
SECOND AMENDED DISCLOSURE STATEMENT WITH RESPECT TO
JOINT PLAN OF REORGANIZATION OF US AIRWAYS, INC.
AND ITS AFFILIATED DEBTORS AND DEBTORS-IN-POSSESSION



"The Debtors believe that the Merger will create a number of synergies with resulting annual
revenue increases and cost savings to Reorganized Group in the aggregate amount of over $600 million.
The Debtors anticipate that cost savings will result from shrinking unprofitable routes, redistributing excess
capacity from the western United States to the East Coast, streamlining aircraft fleets (the companies
contemplate a net reduction of 58 aircraft between the Debtors and America West)"

 

[Zone5]

A330 & B767

Neither of which the West "brought" to the merger. I appreciate your honesty however.


seajay

 

[cleardirect]

A330 & B767

190's which the west by arbitration should be flying 1/3. But we know what you guys think about arbitration. A 757 that by MOU we are supposed to have but we know what you guy think about sharing and stealing.

How many new 330 did you get BECAUSE of the merger. The TA says that new flying will be shared equitably between the two pilot groups. Has any NEW flying by shared or just stolen from the west?

Explain something. If you all are at min fleet and gotten no additional flying. Why have all the new hires gone east? Why did the company only furlough 125 on the east but 175 on the west? The company has said 350 new hires next year but only 150 retirements. 45 retirements on the west but no new hires? What are all these additional pilots flying?

How many upgrades has the east gotten and 125 downgrades on the west. What has usapa done about balancing the benefits?

Answer this. What has the west gotten from this merger?

 

[cleardirect]

Neither of which the West "brought" to the merger. I appreciate your honesty however.


seajay

How many 190 did you bring to the merger?

How many 330 did you bring to the merger?

How many do you have after the merger?

The west brought 144 aircraft to the merger. How many do we have left after Parker shrunk us? What has usapa done to balance that?

 

[Pi brat]

190's which the west by arbitration should be flying 1/3. But we know what you guys think about arbitration. A 757 that by MOU we are supposed to have but we know what you guy think about sharing and stealing.

How many new 330 did you get BECAUSE of the merger. The TA says that new flying will be shared equitably between the two pilot groups. Has any NEW flying by shared or just stolen from the west?

Explain something. If you all are at min fleet and gotten no additional flying. Why have all the new hires gone east? Why did the company only furlough 125 on the east but 175 on the west? The company has said 350 new hires next year but only 150 retirements. 45 retirements on the west but no new hires? What are all these additional pilots flying?

How many upgrades has the east gotten and 125 downgrades on the west. What has usapa done about balancing the benefits?

Answer this. What has the west gotten from this merger?

The 190s and 757s were settled with you to get the slots after integration, right? You really don't want USAPA do go against the agreement do you? The east is at or very near min. fleet, so how do we even out the flying. How do they make the company put MORE airplanes where they don't need them? Did you listen to the state of the airline and catch the comments about PHX flying?

There are many reasons the east has upgraded and hired. You should know why by now and accept what is happening. The east brought 270 737 and larger A/C to the merger is down to around about 202. What is the west down to?