July - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cleardirect]

I believe the roll call option is required by law. Although if memory serves, the founders campaigned that they would refrain from using it. Which is one reason I voted for USAPA in the first place.

It is time to step for all of you guys that voted for usapa and get back control. If McKee is thinking of doing this he needs to be told in no uncertain terms that is not what the pilots want.

Or do you guys like an out of control central government type union?

History would indicate that you do.

 

[Pi brat]

If this Robert guy is your friend, it would not hurt to inform him that to anyone outside the usapa circle of reneging malcontents he looks like a hypocritical idiot. When he lectures the CEO on matters of principles and makes veiled threats of releasing some "looks very bad" info to the ENJOINED pilot group to effect their morale, he looks like not only a hypocrite but an idiot as well.

Also, I suspect I know the identity of Move2 (and it is not who you think) and OTTER, I have no idea who Res is, but I do know the identity of Cleardirect, and if you think comparing me to Clear is an insult, you are very mistaken.

Let you what sport, you go tell all those whiny, sniveling westie crew news participants what idiots they look like and then I will go talk to Robert. Deal?

By his posts on here, being compared to Clear should be insulting to you.

 

[Pi brat]

time to put an end to usapa.....

Start a card drive. Start a recall. It's that simple.

 

[cleardirect]

Start a card drive. Start a recall. It's that simple.

Even easier. A merger with American takes care of the little usapa problem.

 

[Pi brat]

Even easier. A merger with American takes care of the little usapa problem.

I agree that will take care of USAPA, but whether it will be easier is yet to be seen.

 

[traderjake]

Even easier. A merger with American takes care of the little usapa problem.

If we merge with American does it matter if we have a MOU?

What happens if we merge without a MOU?

Won't APA eventually become the our union and their contract become our contract?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

If we merge with American does it matter if we have a MOU?

What happens if we merge without a MOU?

Won't APA eventually become the our union and their contract become our contract?

Merger aint going to happen, all of DUI's powerpoints and creditor valuation statements is wishful thinking on his part! MM

 

[cactusboy53]

Upset? Noting in my post said anything about being upset. My post talked about trust.

You want to talk about upset? Upset is that the company hasn't been willing to negotiate until now and now that they want a merger, they are in rush mode to get us to accept their first offer.

Why on earth would you be upset? USAPA's only plan of delay is working PERFECTLY.

Doug told you in CLT last week that the reason our negotiations are parked is because we "still don't have a resolution with regard to the seniority dispute. The company's view is it is time wasted until it's resolved..."

Further, delay of accepting the Nicolau award is the reason AAA stepped away from a nearly complete TA (in 2007). 5 years later we are in a deadlock (when USAPA promised a complete NEW contract in 90 days!), as engineered by USAPA.

The wheels of justice turn slowly, but they do turn.

CB

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Why on earth would you be upset? USAPA's only plan of delay is working PERFECTLY.

Doug told you in CLT last week that the reason our negotiations are parked is because we "still don't have a resolution with regard to the seniority dispute. The company's view is it is time wasted until it's resolved..."

Further, delay of accepting the Nicolau award is the reason AAA stepped away from a nearly complete TA (in 2007). 5 years later we are in a deadlock (when USAPA promised a complete NEW contract in 90 days!), as engineered by USAPA.

The wheels of justice turn slowly, but they do turn.

CB

Really? I thought it was economic reasons the company turned away, they said DIORIO was the problem, 2 T/A's later and the F/A's are still here also, walks like a duck? Hey blame USAPA, Attrition train EAST is about to leave the EAST station! MM!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

I see a roll call vote comig. The McKee faction controls a roll call. They also do not want the MOU to go to the membership. Would not surprise me if we don't get to vote.

Let me get the bullet points, you want to vote on an MOU?, But the leadership of the group that signed their T/A's has left, 1113 process has yet to play out The merger at best is tentative,if that, and now the new regime at American is in control and a wildcard, we run to DUI and beg him to give him concessions(remember, GARY said CONS involved) , and you want a vote!! MM!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Sit tight and watch the show! MM

 

[cleardirect]

Let me get the bullet points, you want to vote on an MOU?, But the leadership of the group that signed their T/A's has left, 1113 process has yet to play out The merger at best is tentative,if that, and now the new regime at American is in control and a wildcard, we run to DUI and beg him to give him concessions(remember, GARY said CONS involved) , and you want a vote!! MM!

What is the problem with voting? You do understand that NO is an option right if it is a bad deal.

But you guys have never met a concession or bad deal and not voted yes.

It would send a much stronger message if the pilots voted no 60-40 like APA instead of a weak vote of the BPR. Let the pilots vote and decide. Problem with that?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

What is the problem with voting? You do understand that NO is an option right if it is a bad deal.

But you guys have never met a concession or bad deal and not voted yes.

It would send a much stronger message if the pilots voted no 60-40 like APA instead of a weak vote of the BPR. Let the pilots vote and decide. Problem with that?

No problem with voting, in fact I think we should vote on every law and get rid of congress and senate, It would send a MUCH STRONGER MESSAGE if the BS flag was just waved!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Remember we all voted in USAPA! MM

 

[Piedmont1984]

Let me get the bullet points, you want to vote on an MOU?, But the leadership of the group that signed their T/A's has left, 1113 process has yet to play out The merger at best is tentative,if that, and now the new regime at American is in control and a wildcard, we run to DUI and beg him to give him concessions(remember, GARY said CONS involved) , and you want a vote!! MM!

MOU is coming. It's kinda like a TA or transition agreement. Whether the merger happens or not, the document will be consumated just in case. Do you care what it says or not? Are you smart enough to decide on your own, or do you need an instructor in the right seat to make sure you don't do anything stupid?

And lets pretend the merger doesn't happen with us acquiring them, but they emerge and acquire us.

Got CoC?