June - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[luvthe9]

Now, that's the lying scum sucking kind of statements I love. What do you thing the Nic is if it isn't an "integration" of the east and west seniority list???

You, like many of your lying scum sucking buddies, confuse integration of lists with implementation. IF a merger with AA occurs, that will take care of that last little detail called a contract and you'll be powerless to stop it being in the minority...

Jim

Boing Boy has lost it. Funny, when he was all in on slamming the Empire pilots, now he has got his principles back.

 

[luvthe9]

Did you catch that luv?

LMAO.

Luv the new AA screen name Move!

 

[luvthe9]

What's your source for that? I'm curious here, since the guys I know at American believe differently.

His source is Nic4us, using the screen name Fodase while conferring with Move2Clt, who has yet to move anywhere! :blush:

 

[cleardirect]

What's your source for that? I'm curious here, since the guys I know at American believe differently.

Why do the guys you know at American believe that? What information do they have? Would these guys be former TWA pilots that believe they are going to get a do over too?

 

[cleardirect]

His source is Nic4us, using the screen name Fodase while conferring with Move2Clt, who has yet to move anywhere! :blush:

Why have you got to be so rude to our guests? Here is a guy AAviator that come to our board and tells you information that does not comply with your believes in the world and disparage him.

Do you treat jumps seaters from other careers that don't agree with you views the same way?

It never fails anytime someone visits this board that expresses a different opinion than yours you guys chase them off, tell them to leave. How about some of that southern hospitality and charm for our guests?

If you went to the AA board would you expect to be treated poorly?

Be nice dude.

 

[nic4us]

I don’t know Patrick O’Neill, but he has my vote. He is a PHX based guy, with a good reputation. However, in light of the shenanigans of Mr. O’Neill’s opponent….

Ladies and Gentlemen, please finish the job of cleaning house.

Fraternally,

Woody Menear PHL 76i

I do not know Patrick...but I do know Mitch and AC. Like I said when all three won the appeals board election "the first time". The east is too stupid to realize just how good of candidates they had coming into office.

Well, I was wrong. They realized it, and I am not talking about the rank and file, I am talking about the top usapa scabs here. They realized that candidates that would actually perform the duties of the office for the benefit of the rank and file were to be avoided at all cost. Scabs like Parella, Tobin et.al. could not sit idly by and watch as the appeals board would be staffed entirely by West pilots who would get the job done....no..they had to find a way to secure those seats for further propagation of the scab agenda.

Exactly why is usapa holding a redo of a completed election? Oh yeah, the scabs who lost the election filed grievences with the appeals board, whose conflicting self interest led to a nullification of the original election.

Now befor e anybody jumps my rear about it was a problem with the constitution....I call BS. There could have been a runoff, in compliance with the constitution for the three seats. Problem there is that guarantees two of the three seats to West pilots, and that was also unacceptable to the scabs.

Frankly, I think Manear's motivations are also highly suspect. He has proven himself to be a usapa scab, unworthy of any trust from the rank and file. Take his advice and vote for Oneil if you wish, but do it because Oneil is the better candidate, not because there is a cat fight going on in the scab's house.

 

[EastCheats]

Why do the guys you know at American believe that? What information do they have? Would these guys be former TWA pilots that believe they are going to get a do over too?

I guess it depends on who you speak with. The AA pilots I have talked with say it's the Nic. Who knows, they may be telling us what we want to hear just to avoid conflict.

Meantime, we wait on Judge Silver to rule.

 

[nic4us]

His source is Nic4us,

Whats the matter Luv.....???

You do not like that I point out where the 9th warned usapa that they are commiting a DFR by intentionally avoiding the Nic, and better get to work on a Nic inclusive contract??

No rebuttal for that other than cute little jabs???

The biggest mistake AAviator could make would not be referencing me, it would be if s/he trusted a single word out of a usapian's scab mouth.

You got any advice for AAviator to disregard.......kind of like how the company and APA is dealing with your scab union,,,,, huh?

 

[EastUS1]

I guess it depends on who you speak with. The AA pilots I have talked with say it's the Nic. Who knows, they may be telling us what we want to hear just to avoid conflict.

Meantime, we wait on Judge Silver to rule.

Indeed. The fellows I know, a few years less ancient than myself, go back to when they were mere company grade levels/LT's or barely Capt's in our callow youth, so I know they're not overly concerned with any social niceties where mutual discussion is involved. 😉 It's not like I've got any significant statistics to deal with from just a few guys though...so; who knows what'll really happen with this? We can only wait and see.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Boing Boy has lost it. Funny, when he was all in on slamming the Empire pilots, now he has got his principles back.

As I said, you're one of the lying, scum sucking club's finest students....

Jim

 

[EastUS1]

Would these guys be former TWA pilots that believe they are going to get a do over too?

No.

 

[EastUS1]

The biggest mistake AAviator could make would not be referencing me, ....

Ummm....Ok.

 

[nic4us]

Ratification is utterly meaningless regarding the Status Quo in RLA. The TA is status quo, the TA is part of both contracts, the Nic. Is cemented in the TA. The Nic IS THE STATUS QUO....at least that's what the company attorneys are finally fessing up to in Federal Court.

Metro you are correct about the status quo...but the status quo is a result of a prior contract ratification.

ratification is not "totally meaningless"......

Had the scabs gotten their way..and voted in a joint contract with their seniority theft plan...we would have been in a very bad position going into a merger, even if the CBA was barred by injunction pending litigation.

AT the AOL meeting immediately following the 9ths ruling, there were West pilots who wanted the strategy to be to let the scabs get their contract, then sue. Same as prior to Addington. The arguement over ripeness and timeliness. The arguement that you have to have a ratified contract first, but in our circumstance that would open the door for being barred based on statute of limitations.

To sum...ratification is not meaningless....it is what constitues the status quo. Currently, all LCC pilots are arranged on the only accepted system seniority list at LCC by the Nic, a product of each groups "ratified" contracts, and the status quo.

 

[EastUS1]

As I said, you're one of the lying, scum sucking club's finest students....

Jim

High praise indeed. It must be noted that a student's evaluation of that sort necessarily presumes personal and intimate knowledge of said club's inner workings 😉

 

[EastUS1]

Metro you are correct about the status quo...but the status quo is a result of a prior contract ratification.

ratification is not "totally meaningless"......

Currently, all LCC pilots are arranged on the only accepted system seniority list at LCC by the Nic, a product of each groups "ratified" contracts, and the status quo.

"...are arranged on the only accepted system seniority list at LCC ..." yet can't bid based on it.....?