What is your union doing about all of this?
Layoffs announced at AA
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What is your union doing about all of this?
Sounds to me like it's not just AA... Maybe one should question how the APFA operates as well?
I may have nothing to lose, but ~1200 AA FA's do have something to lose. Their livelihood.
Of course you would take APFA; you're not being furloughed. AFA still offers us furlough pay, and unlimited recall rights, which is all that I was referring to (with regards to APFA).
Explain to me again how AA is benefitting from not offering unlimited recall to hard working employees adversely affected by the economic downturn? Also, explain to me why APFA is not fighting, tooth and nail, to have it back? You can deduce the debate to "my union is better than your union", but these are human lives being dealt with.
Airlines would be less likely to engage in seasonal furloughs if furlough pay was owed, but that has nothing to do with AA's furloughs.
AA is grounding 34 widebodies from last fall thru this fall; that's more widebody airplanes than the total flown by USAir and only a dozen fewer than the total flown by CO. AA is downsizing in a big way, and it's not a seasonal reduction. It's unfortunate that AA raised the hopes of the ex-TWA FAs with the recent recalls, but had oil not hit $147/bbl last July and had the economy not fallen off a cliff last fall, AA would have needed those FAs.
Do you really think AA wouldn't furlough these FAs if it had to pay furlough pay?
Of course those facing layoff could use the money. Everyone facing job loss could use more money. My heart goes out to the FAs facing what could be a permanent furlough.
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The overwhelming sentiment from APFA is that the membership would not give up one dime to get unlimited recall for all or furlough pay back. THAT was when it only affected a certain group of "junior" furloughees...Now that the furlough cushion is about to be wiped out..(again)....those who are now in the potencial furlough headlights may change their tune.
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My comment was directed at Maark who by his statements obviously doesn't feel that way.
Here is the problem it wouldn't cost a dime. AA would want to extract the cost of the furlough pay and the cost X 10 of maintaining a list of recalls. So the remaining FA's and all those recaled would continue to pay for the one time costs forever. The cost of trying to get back what was given away by john ward is greater than the short term good it could do.
The way it disappeared wasn't right and we did and it is continuing to be challenged.
The way it disappeared wasn't right and we did and it is continuing to be challenged.
Fair enough, furlough pay would be an additional cost. What would be the "cost" to AA in offering unlimited recall like most other airlines? IMO, it would do wonders for morale, and not cost much, if anything? How much does maintaining a furlough list actually cost? I mean, if it cost that much, believe me, USAir would not have done it....
Again, good luck to all those affected....
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More "shAAred sAAcrifice" for us! 
What we do know for sure is that APFA we not lift one finger to reduce the number of furloughs from 1200. Any creative union could probably mitigate many of these furloughs. But not APFA. You never see efforts on the part of APFA to mitigate furlough in their weekly updates or the Skyliar magizine. APFA just does not represent unionism one part of which it taking part of your fellow man!!!
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Yes, Maark we are all aware that to the individual f/a, the furlough pay was not that much. However, when multiplied by several hundred f/as to the company it would represent a significant amount of money and might make the company think twice about a furlough. As it is, in giving up furlough pay, the union opened the door to seasonal furloughs--layoff in Oct., recall in Dec., layoff in Jan, recall in Mar, layoff in April, recall in June. Not only does it not cost the company anything, the furloughees would never be off the payroll long enough to require any classroom refresher training.
But, thanks for your concern.
Knew things were bad, but this is worse than I expected. I've been reading how summer bookings are way, way down so we're not going to get much traction there. Also oil continues to creep up on us and that will keep the red ink flowing.
Can we catch a break here?
Can we catch a break here?
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