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The funny thing about this debate is the infinite possibilities of it all. It could be argued through theoretical quantum physics that BOTH the congressman and Ms tree are correct. Thats the part that can really cook your brain.

We are infants in this universe, some of the theories out there right now if they prove to be correct will really throw a monkey wrench into all forms of religion, athiests too. Which is its self a religion if you want to get to the basics of it.
 
The funny thing about this debate is the infinite possibilities of it all. It could be argued through theoretical quantum physics that BOTH the congressman and Ms tree are correct. Thats the part that can really cook your brain.

We are infants in this universe, some of the theories out there right now if they prove to be correct will really throw a monkey wrench into all forms of religion, athiests too. Which is its self a religion if you want to get to the basics of it.

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LOL, nah has to do with the many worlds theory of quantum mechanics......though if the MWI as they sometimes call it is correct, then yes your picture would be one of the "many worlds". Told you it was a brain cooker. Science is stranger than fiction!
 
LOL, nah has to do with the many worlds theory of quantum mechanics......though if the MWI as they sometimes call it is correct, then yes your picture would be one of the "many worlds". Told you it was a brain cooker. Science is stranger than fiction!

Check out myths, legends and biblical history. Beings flying to the clouds.....yeah, right.
 
Check out myths, legends and biblical history. Beings flying to the clouds.....yeah, right.

See thats the problem with this debate. If you take the strict biblical side of it as written there are many questions.....but if you take the scientific side of it and carry the science as far as it will take you including the cutting edge of quantum mechanics and such you end up with mostly the same questions.

The very basic watered down version of the Many worlds Interpretation of quantum mechanics is that any and all possible outcomes of every decision and event in history actually happened and that the result of those happenings fractured off into parallel universes. Possibly up to an infinite amount.

I look at it this way, if you take the strict biblical version you must follow where it takes you, and conversly if you accept the strict scientific version you must follow where it takes you. So from a strictly scientific viewpoint the mathematics of it clearly leads you to conclude that we are not alone in this galaxy much less in this universe. And given the age that science says the earth and the galaxy is vs the meager few seconds that humans have inhabited the earth in galactic time, science concludes that it is entirely possible that we are the late comers to the whole show and that intelligent life in some points of the galaxy and universe have several million years head start on us.

So if you are of the scientific side of the argument, yeah beings flying into clouds is one possibility.

Where we have the problem scientifically speaking is that our little undeveloped brains have trouble processing such ideas We simply are not developed enough to handle what our telescopes and math is showing us. If you believe what the hubble telescope is showing us is true and that the milkyway galaxy is only one of hundreds of thousands of galaxies, if even just one planet per galaxy mirrors ours, that is hundreds of thousands of other intelligent civilizations out there.

In this debate which ever side you take you cannot just stop at what you are comfortable with, you must follow your chosen faith or science to its conclusion. Otherwise your argument has as little merit as your opponents does on the other side.
 
The funny thing about this debate is the infinite possibilities of it all. It could be argued through theoretical quantum physics that BOTH the congressman and Ms tree are correct. Thats the part that can really cook your brain.

We are infants in this universe, some of the theories out there right now if they prove to be correct will really throw a monkey wrench into all forms of religion, athiests too. Which is its self a religion if you want to get to the basics of it.

Something that is 9,000 yrs old cannot be 4 billion plus. It's one or the other. Science can be verified, religion cannot.

Atheism is no more a religion than bald is a hair color.
 
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Something that is 9,000 yrs old cannot be 4 billion plus. It's one or the other.

See thats the part that is not assured under theoretical quantum physics. Time is looking more and more like it is not a constant and can be manipulated. Currently according to folks like Hawkings and his peers the physics concerning wormholes hold up to just a micro second before reopening up at its place of origin, thus becoming a time portal. Sounds freaky i know. but according to the big brains of our time "Our Quantum Physics holds up to just before time travel is possible" Interviewer: So you are saying that time travel is not possible? "No I didn't say that, I said that our knowledge of quantum physics breaks down just before it would be possible."

Apparantly there are several long running bets in the quantum physics community concerning this subject.

Have to go where the science takes you if you are of the scientific side of the argument. If you fail to do that you have a religion...not science.
 
Additionally Einstien proved that forward time travel is possible, and that has been backed up by scientific study. The only thing is our technology will only allow for it to be manipulated forward by very small amounts. I don't remember the exact calculation but it was first measured using atomic clocks and jet aircraft. Astronauts are time travelers as well as space explorers. I would have to look up the exact figures but one year in earth orbit at the accelerated speeds of orbit (22k miles an hour or there about) and further away from earths mass (another factor in Einstiens work) results in gaining something like .3 of a second by the time they come back to earth.

Forward is easy as Einstien showed, backwards is the one that quantum physics cannot answer at the moment
 
With stood the test of time based on what standard? There are people who still belive the earth is flat. There are primitive cultures that believe the gods are angry when the sun disappears during an eclipse. Just because some believes in something does.not.make.it valid.

Correct. That is why everything you know and believe will become obsolete in the near future.

You can't validate what you can't understand :p
 
The difference in this situation is that science deals with verifiable facts or theory based on evidence. Here we have a US Congress man who denies the veracity of science and replaces it with his belief in religion which has no scientific basis. Secondly, no one is trying force atheism on people.

Ahhh, sorry but science deals with hypothesis and theories, and many have not been proven beyond a doubt, yet some believe it to be accurate. You don't believe in a God yet find accuracy in figures dating back billions of years as to how everything came to be. Truth be told...science doesn't know for sure.
 
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Something that is 9,000 yrs old cannot be 4 billion plus. It's one or the other. Science can be verified, religion cannot.

Atheism is no more a religion than bald is a hair color.

Science can be played like numbers. That's why you have people that believe that man is responsible for global warming :rolleyes:

Atheism is a belief. The belief that there is no God. A belief with followers is a RELIGION...ha-ha :p
 
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Something that is 9,000 yrs old cannot be 4 billion plus. It's one or the other. Science can be verified, religion cannot.

Atheism is no more a religion than bald is a hair color.

First, does it really matter how old something is? Second, science is not absolute and many times wrong. A lot of science is an educated guess.
 
Ahhh, sorry but science deals with hypothesis and theories, and many have not been proven beyond a doubt, yet some believe it to be accurate. You don't believe in a God yet find accuracy in figures dating back billions of years as to how everything came to be. Truth be told...science doesn't know for sure.

Some have not been proven some have. Evolution is a proven theory. How the earth evolved is a proven fact. The big bang theory has not been proven how ever it is a theory based upon known science.

Belief in God is a faith. It has no basis in knowledge, no way of being proven. You believe it or your don't.

Science is self critical. Religion tolerates no criticism. Which makes more sense. Which has a better track record of being correct and advancing man kind?
 
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