Lipstick on a pig!

[Chuck Schalk]

Lets talk about attrition rate:

M&R attritition out approx 300 mechanics every year under normal conditions. As of june 2012 the seniority list has decreased by approx 250 for the year which supports this.
if we factor in the early out people and those who are leaving the industry, we can assume that 300 average will go dramatically up.
The company has stated that layoffs would be over a time period which works in the favor of the attrition absorbing potential layoffs.

why would vote in the LBO2 and vote away every benefit, if the event of saving jobs is already built in?

 

[dfw gen]

i hope we are planning to run that ad and possibly Bob Owens reply #75 untill the vote ends.

 

[2ndGENAMT]

i hope we are planning to run that ad and possibly Bob Owens reply #75 untill the vote ends.

Along with #65!! Very interesting to say the least...And I wouldn't put it past the company..

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

"It seems that Mr Hewitt says that the ad is misleading and some of the claims are outright lies. He then talks about what may or may not happen if the Judge abrogates."

hewitt is nothing more than a stooge for the twu. He will make a video where he has to read off of a telepromter and say he isn't going to tell people to vote yes or no but then he goes into a "read along" of why people should vote yes and give no reasons why they should vote no.

hewitt is a perfect example of how the twu international operates at AA. If the international wants something done that goes against the wishes of the membership they will get people like hewitt to lead the charge.

hewitt is just like burchette and other self serving presidents within the twu. They are all the same they just put on lipstick to try and look different.

VOTE NO!

 

[Buck]

From the Tulsa World 7/28/2012 article references the Vote No Ad.





Reply | Thumbs Up | Report Comment Gold Star Dad (3 hours ago)
At least one member of the TWU leadership gets it:

"We are not in normal negotiations where the company must negotiate over the contract as a whole. In fact, we are in the bankruptcy arena, which gives the company much more power over its union contracts than it normally has. ... In bankruptcy, if the union and the company cannot reach an agreement, the courts can then do away with the contract altogether, giving the company the right to change rates of pay and work rules as it deems necessary."

Not as flashy as the page A11 ad, but much more truthful.

 

[Rogallo]

Whats gonna happen informer? I gotta know.!

Go sit in the truck..!!!

 

[High Speed Steel]

Go sit in the truck..!!!

Not fair <_< that's my line, go get your own....lol

 

[High Speed Steel]

From the Tulsa World 7/28/2012 article references the Vote No Ad.





Reply | Thumbs Up | Report Comment Gold Star Dad (3 hours ago)


At least one member of the TWU leadership gets it:


"We are not in normal negotiations where the company must negotiate over the contract as a whole. In fact, we are in the bankruptcy arena, which gives the company much more power over its union contracts than it normally has. ... In bankruptcy, if the union and the company cannot reach an agreement, the courts can then do away with the contract altogether, giving the company the right to change rates of pay and work rules as it deems necessary."

Not as flashy as the page A11 ad, but much more truthful.

Wow Buck, I see you captured a comment from a Tulsa World reader who can recognize the truth, from bullshet....lol

 

[Buck]

Wow Buck, I see you captured a comment from a Tulsa World reader who can recognize the truth, from bullshet....lol

All opinions can be heard. The Tulsa World rarely gets the "Big Picture". ( do you know where the big picture is? ) But the TWU truth is based on FEAR. Why are you willing to just give everything away?

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which gives the company much more power over its union contracts than it normally has

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What power is this poster referring to?

Why can't the company and union agree?

 

[767 mechanic]

That isn't how it works and you know it.
You will just have to wait and see.

Just have your Ghost Buster brigade on high alert.

I can see a run on blood pressure meds. Keep the paramedics handy. Man the gates we are being overun.

 

[Buck]

Just The Facts a response from TWU Local 514.

Last week an advertisement was posted in the Tulsa world urging Tulsa 514 members to vote against the tentative agreement which is before us now. The persons paying for this ad declined to identify themselves. The reasons for this are obvious — the ad is very misleading and parts are completely untrue, and it was not paid for by members of this Local, but rather the members of line locals.

The ad claims that the proposed agreement does not guarantee jobs.

Guarantees are hard to come by in bankruptcy, but the tentative agreement requires that 65% of aircraft maintenance work must remain in house to be performed by our members. The highly likely alternative to the proposed agreement is the Company’s March 22 term sheet, which will be imposed if our contract is abrogated and calls for far greater outsourcing and far greater job loss. In short the only “guarantee” in this process is that if you follow the advice of the anonymous sponsors of this ad we will have to endure far greater sacrifice in terms of lost jobs and work.

The following are just a few of the many other misstatements:

We will lose Overtime (job continuation) up to 3 hours determined by management.

The above provision only applies to line maintenance.
Yet to be defined “Peak Base Visits” allowed to be 100% outsourced.

This is not true! Peak Base visits by Aircraft is part of the 35% outsourcing limit. The company wanted to be able to contract out aircraft if the docks were full but they did not get that ability with the T/A.

We have seven days between a “no” vote and the Judge’s ruling on contract abrogation to negotiate something better.

The Company has no further obligation under the Bankruptcy Code to negotiate with us prior to Judge Lane’s ruling.

Even if our contract is abrogated we will be able to negotiate a better one because we will be released by the National Mediation Board (NMB).

If our contract is abrogated the likelihood is that we will be living under the March 22 term sheet for years. The NMB rarely, if ever, releases employees to strike a carrier while their carrier is in bankruptcy, and even after the carrier emerges it generally takes three to four years to negotiate the first post bankruptcy contract. The NMB does not expedite this process for those without agreements.

Local 514 members should have no illusions about the true strategy and motives of the “Vote No” contingent – they want to sacrifice heavy maintenance and Title II as a trade off for improving their own pay and benefits. One of their leaders (Bob Owens) made this abundantly clear when he stated the following on an aviation blog last April.

“As far as headcount I believe I’ve made it clear that in Bankruptcy its nuts to try and hold on to language that nobody else has at the cost of driving down compensation to new lows.

The company has three points where they meet the standards for abrogation;

1. The Defined Benefit pension

2. The Retiree Medical

3. Language keeping the volume of Overhaul in house

On number three it has never been proven that it’s a liability, however the truth doesn’t matter and it’s a huge number that provides leverage in favor of abrogation and the judge will abrogate the whole contract as long as it’s there. I say give them those three things and demand comparable compensation and benefits and watch them scramble to make a case for abrogation.”

He also stated: the line has taken the position “we’ll give you what your competitors have (no Defined Benefit, no Retiree Medical but we get all our funds, and the ability to outsource what competitors outsource) but you have to give us what they give our peers”.

However, the above strategy is self defeating even for line mechanics, and to understand this all you have to do is go back seven years and look at what happened at NWA. In between 2001 and the 2005 mechanic strike, NWA managed to outsource the majority of its heavy checks. When NWA mechanics struck, the Company only needed a thousand or so line aircraft mechanics to sustain its operation, something which it managed to accomplish through a combination of new hires and scabs. The result was one of the worst fiascos in the history of airline labor and an immense tragedy for thousands of mechanics, related workers and their families.

Indeed, the strategy of the “Vote No” contingent also does not work in bankruptcy court. US Airways and UAL mechanics gave up all or most heavy maintenance in bankruptcy and still had to make enormous concessions in pay and benefits, including termination of their pension plans.

The TWU local 514 Board through a majority vote decided to advise the membership that they recommend voting yes on the tentative agreement now before us. This decision was based on the simple fact that a “no” vote will open the door to tens of millions of dollars in further concessions beyond those required in the tentative agreement. Those additional concessions will be exacted disproportionately from Local 514 members. Vote as you choose, but you should carefully examine the motivation and objectives of those Line Station leaders who are more than willing to sacrifice your interest for themselves.

 

[Tex-Mech]

The TWU local 514 Board through a majority vote decided to advise the membership that they recommend voting yes on the tentative agreement now before us.

So they all don't agree...very interesting.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

I was speaking to one of the men responsible for the newspaper ad. He works at the Tulsa Maint. base so if is obvious he is not a line mechanic. Local 514 misleading us again. These are the same people who put out a paper quoting Bob Owens out of context and not signing their names to it. So I guess it's ok for them. I also have a problem that my union dues was used to print vote yes signs when the membership is split on this issue. If and when this is voted down it will be addressed at the union hall. Maybe I will put in a motion to print up some vote no signs just in case. Anyone second that?

 

[Buck]

I was speaking to one of the men responsible for the newspaper ad. He works at the Tulsa Maint. base so if is obvious he is not a line mechanic. Local 514 misleading us again. These are the same people who put out a paper quoting Bob Owens out of context and not signing their names to it. So I guess it's ok for them. I also have a problem that my union dues was used to print vote yes signs when the membership is split on this issue. If and when this is voted down it will be addressed at the union hall. Maybe I will put in a motion to print up some vote no signs just in case. Anyone second that?

2nd!

 

[Flying low]

I was speaking to one of the men responsible for the newspaper ad. He works at the Tulsa Maint. base so if is obvious he is not a line mechanic. Local 514 misleading us again. These are the same people who put out a paper quoting Bob Owens out of context and not signing their names to it. So I guess it's ok for them. I also have a problem that my union dues was used to print vote yes signs when the membership is split on this issue. If and when this is voted down it will be addressed at the union hall. Maybe I will put in a motion to print up some vote no signs just in case. Anyone second that?

What would Ed Wilson "Your our of order brother"