Lucy, you better 'splain

[czerny]

I have 9.40 for the month with one more reserve day to go then 4 days vacation, I have flown 1 turn.

mikeBOS

I'm sorry Mike. I should stop complaining about how little I'm flying on rsv. I have 30 hrs to date and I've done _everything_ possible to motivate Scheduling to call me. I waived my 30 in 7/put myself on Opt.1, and on short call out every day. But, there are a lot of people on MU. Are you 777 qualified Mike? I got one trip on the 777. Good luck.

 

[conniegirl]

It must also be hard to see us from that lofty perch you sit at.

 

[conniegirl]

It must also be hard to see us from that lofty perch you sit at.

Now, now Mikey - you play nice or we'll take your shovel away and make you leave the sandbox.

The quote you took issue with was the one that has been thrown at the TWA people for oh-so-many years....."well, you should be grateful that you have a job."
Strange, isn't it, how when the moccasin is on the other foot it begins to feel uncomfortatable.

The discomfort for the AA people has only begun, and will become considerable more excruciating once the TWA furlough cushion has been diminshed. Then those who are now mildly voicing their disatisfactions are going to be screaming. Reality is just over your horizons.

(I know you're recently retired and not affected by this, but all those junior and even middle level senority AA people are going to get the crunch next).

 

[FA Mikey]

Negative, No one should be told or have to feel grateful they have a job. Least of all the exTWA F/A's.

I take exception to the fact that people want to say the TWA F/A's were put there to become a furlough cushion. That was never the intent of myself or any person I knew or spoke to. At the the time AA was still expanding and certainly had it not been for 911, things would have been very different.

But 911 did mean that when the furloughs did hit the Ex TWA F/A's were the bottom and the ones hurt. I am not sure how to say what became was not the intent. So sometimes I or other take exception to the notion it was all some sort of evil plot hached to screw you guys.

 

[conniegirl]

Negative, No one should be told or have to feel grateful they have a job. Least of all the exTWA F/A's.

I take exception to the fact that people want to say the TWA F/A's were put there to become a furlough cushion. That was never the intent of myself or any person I knew or spoke to. At the the time AA was still expanding and certainly had it not been for 911, things would have been very different.

But 911 did mean that when the furloughs did hit the Ex TWA F/A's were the bottom and the ones hurt. I am not sure how to say what became was not the intent. So sometimes I or other take exception to the notion it was all some sort of evil plot hached to screw you guys.

I've read enough of your posts over the past several years to pretty much say with certainty that you're not the kind of person "to hatch an evil plot to screw us". You come across as someone pretty forthright and certainly honest.....in a way I wish I'd had the chance to meet you before we both pulled the plug.

I am saying, however, that the shoe is now going to be on the other foot and the Union and workforce that said "let them eat cake" are now going to be dining on a lot of crumbs.

 

[HottootrotNyc]

Conniegirl, here is what I am trying to understand. TWA was in very bad shape, had about 23 Million in the bank, and was buring through over a million a day. They surely never would of took back to flying had they been "single" on 9/11. They basically had no cash or assets. Yourself and all the other very senior people who decided to stay knew something like this could happen. The writing had been on the wall for years. So AA "Bought" not merged TWA and stuck you and many others on the bottom of the seniority lists, since in all reality, you were a new hire. Although you did keep everything else, including a big pay raise.

I now have a few questions....

Why do you feel AA employee's should of given new hires, seniority accured at the former company?

If TWA bought AA and at the time brought over there 21,000 F/A's, would you and your co-worker's have thought it would of been fair to give date of hire? The TWA people would of basically been lost, considering AA's huge numbers, would that have been fair?

Do you really think TWA, would be flying today, had it not been for AA purchasing the company?

Do you think it would be fair if AA gave TWA people date of hire, and then had to furlough F/A's that were always employeed with AA, while TWA people held the best of the best?

I have a friend who had 6 years with TWA, during the merger he was STL based. He went from in 3 months, a line, to reserve, to furloughed. His anger and rage towards AA is just unnatural. I asked him those same question's up top and a few more. He answered everything as AA promised us this and AA promised us that. In the end he said TWA never would of survived, and he wished AA had just let the company die.

Do you think this would of been easier for all the TWA people (for the company to just have died)? Would they have lost the people to blame for losing their job's? Do you place any blame with the IAM for not protecting your scope before going into Chapter 11?


What would of made the TWA people happy?

I saw a video of them picketing in BOS not long ago and it's sad, really sad, they just can't move on, or didn't take the time given and train for a new career or new airline later on.

P.S. I noticed the mod's block these thread's and for good reasoning. I just want some real unbiased asnwers. Thank You.

 

[conniegirl]

Conniegirl, here is what I am trying to understand. TWA was in very bad shape, had about 23 Million in the bank, and was buring through over a million a day. They surely never would of took back to flying had they been "single" on 9/11. They basically had no cash or assets. Yourself and all the other very senior people who decided to stay knew something like this could happen. The writing had been on the wall for years. So AA "Bought" not merged TWA and stuck you and many others on the bottom of the seniority lists, since in all reality, you were a new hire. Although you did keep everything else, including a big pay raise.

I now have a few questions....

Why do you feel AA employee's should of given new hires, seniority accured at the former company?

If TWA bought AA and at the time brought over there 21,000 F/A's, would you and your co-worker's have thought it would of been fair to give date of hire? The TWA people would of basically been lost, considering AA's huge numbers, would that have been fair?

Do you really think TWA, would be flying today, had it not been for AA purchasing the company?

Do you think it would be fair if AA gave TWA people date of hire, and then had to furlough F/A's that were always employeed with AA, while TWA people held the best of the best?

I have a friend who had 6 years with TWA, during the merger he was STL based. He went from in 3 months, a line, to reserve, to furloughed. His anger and rage towards AA is just unnatural. I asked him those same question's up top and a few more. He answered everything as AA promised us this and AA promised us that. In the end he said TWA never would of survived, and he wished AA had just let the company die.

Do you think this would of been easier for all the TWA people (for the company to just have died)? Would they have lost the people to blame for losing their job's? Do you place any blame with the IAM for not protecting your scope before going into Chapter 11?


What would of made the TWA people happy?

I saw a video of them picketing in BOS not long ago and it's sad, really sad, they just can't move on, or didn't take the time given and train for a new career or new airline later on.

P.S. I noticed the mod's block these thread's and for good reasoning. I just want some real unbiased asnwers. Thank You.




Actually, I'm not going to "debate" you. I'm pretty certain you don't want an answser to the list of questions you just asked....your questions remind me of something an old friend used to say..."don't confuse me with facts, my mind's already made up".

I'm pretty certain that whatever I would say would be "debatable" because you think you already know the answers.

Conniegirl

 

[HottootrotNyc]

Well I guess there's my answer's, even though you just skirted around simple question's. I am not looking to debate with you, but it appear's the anger former TWA people have, are focused toward's the wrong people. I am a very fair person and I don't work for AA nor have I ever worked for TWA. I have worked for two airline's, and the one I am currently at, used to be the worst of the worst. I know alot of people who left during our dark day's and alot who decided to remain.

As I asked in my last post, what would of made TWA people happy. I don't think there really is anything that could of. It also saddens me to see a younger women in BOS, crying she's broke, had her utilities shut off, and has to care or her sick mother, and this is all at the fault of AA. She had enough time to know her company was failing, and that she needed to train for a new career, or go back to school, or go to a new airline. Sadly, she didn't and this is why she find's herself. What I really want to know is what was expected on the TWA side. No one aside from my friend who worked for TWA would answer those question's.

I will say this, purchasing a company is a very horrible thing and merging isn't that worse off. If my company was bought, I would expect nothing and be thankful for getting anything at all. If my company was merged with another I would expect equl treatment like NWA and Delta. They are both equals and bringing greatness to the table. If we bought a company I would expect my co-worker's and myself to be fully protected before anyone at the purchased company. Is that harsh? Yes, but that is what should be expected from your own company. Lastly, I wish you would of been adult about it and answered my question's, so I could of had a better idea of what TWA wished they could of gotten, for nothing in return. Good Luck

 

[Ralph]

Well, this thread was supposed to be about PVDs or lack thereof. It, like others, has wandered into the TWA vs. AA swamp and is closed.

:cop: WARNING! The next member who hijacks a thread to rehash the AA vs. TWA argument will be suspended for a minimum of one week. You have been warned. :cop: