M&E reductions announced

[Hopeful]

You MCI folks were warned....We told you that even though you produced, produced, produced the work,,,you would not be exempt from the chocking block.
Unless you are TULE based, noone is safe.

 

[Joe Patroni]

You MCI folks were warned....We told you that even though you produced, produced, produced the work,,,you would not be exempt from the chocking block.
Unless you are TULE based, noone is safe.

If I were you, I wouldn't hold my breath on that comment. Anything can happen. The cut could be coming to a base near you.

 

[Hopeful]

If I were you, I wouldn't hold my breath on that comment. Anything can happen. The cut could be coming to a base near you.

As a BASE, TULE is the safest...not that mechanics there are untouchable.

 

[MCI transplant]

Did u even read the post i was responding to? KCKKen made the statement that 1300 layoffs get all the TWA mechanics? I guess these pending layoffs should exempt ex TWA people and just stick it to the AAers.. Would that make you happy MCI?

And guess what MCI? When it comes to layoffs, the seniority list is the bible...Maybe we should remove the ex TWAers from the list, then have the layoffs, and put the exTWaers back on the list.

<_< ------ Maybe I was a little fast on the trigger! If I was, it's because I'm a little more than pissed off at what AA is doing, and how they're doing it! A lot of good people, both exTWA, and AAnatives ,will be going out the door, while Arpy, and Company, are still injoying their Bonus!!!!! :down:

 

[2ndgenAAer]

<_< ------ Maybe I was a little fast on the trigger! If I was, it's because I'm a little more than pissed off at what AA is doing, and how they're doing it! A lot of good people, both exTWA, and AAnatives ,will be going out the door, while Arpy, and Company, are still injoying their Bonus!!!!! :down:

Management, if reading these forums, are grinning like cats at the conquer and divide that is taking place. All I read is base against base and line station against line station. That should stop.I say bull___t if your going to close something, close it. If your going to layoff than layoff. Crandall never danced around like this, but than again whether you liked him or not he RAN our Business. An airline!! What comes of this whole thing who knows. One thing for certain is the fact not a single member of management can take away the pride that many of you show each and everyday in your quality of workmanship and knowledge. I will step off the soap box now.

 

[Hopeful]

<_< ------ Maybe I was a little fast on the trigger! If I was, it's because I'm a little more than pissed off at what AA is doing, and how they're doing it! A lot of good people, both exTWA, and AAnatives ,will be going out the door, while Arpy, and Company, are still injoying their Bonus!!!!! :down:

That's the point....This is the reward for MCI having probably the best productivity.....I am glad you are finally seeing the light about AA management.

 

[KCKKen]

<_< ------ Answer! AA/TWU/ Kasher!--------- And yes "juniority" is live and well here at AA! And if MCI survives, you'd need at least 30 years seniority to hold a job here!!!

30 years? Looks more like 40-plus -- but I could be wrong (if you were to ask my ex, she could give you a count, tabulated by the day )

All I've heard was that AA wanted 1300 mechanics laid off, and nothing has came out that would make me think otherwise. Taking the current Title 1 list on JetNet, subtracting 1300 from the bottom of it takes you up into 1965 seniority with TWA mechanics, someone at MCI to be exact. And if you count up from the bottom, it would only take 1333 or so to clean out all the TWA Title 1 heads.

Now if I haven't taken something into account, I apologize. But that still doesn't make what AA/TWU are doing (in dragging this out ad nauseum) right. They know right now what their plans are and refuse to elaborate it to those affected. J.H.Christ, treat us like adults, explain what the situation is, what has to happen and when. You'll have some that'll act like a$$es; fine, walk 'em out and be done with it. But TELL US. I hate to say this, and I have no idea of anyone in particular, but before this is over I'm afraid there's going to be someone who won't be able to handle this waiting game -- and AA/TWU will have no one but themselves to blame.

As for me, I'll continue down the same path I'm already on: I show up, the CC gives me a card, I work it to the best of my ability -- no more, no less. If no one gives me a card, I simply wait until they do or it's time to clock out. I feel no sense of urgency or no reason to drag my a$$; I'm no more loyal to this company than they are to me. This will be the way I approach every day until they tell me not to come back.

A little integrity would be refreshing from AA/TWU right about now. But the lack of it shouldn't come as a surprise to everyone at MCI -- the car in the #1 parking spot has always had Oklahoma tags on it, guess the committment to MCI wasn't too strong, huh?

 

[Bob Owens]

You can ask for a productivity savings for those heads, but it ties pretty close to the reduction in fleet size, so how you can claim it's increased productivity will be an interesting argument....
In April 2003, AA had 819 aircraft operating, not including that which was stored in the desert. Today, AA has around 645 aircraft, including the A300's and some MD80s which are still to be sent to the desert.

You are leaving out all the extra revenue generated by contract work. According to the company Tulsa alone generated over $500 million.

2003 ratio of mechanics to aircraft... 17:1

2008 ratio of mechanics to aircraft... 15:1

Your figures support my post, not only has the number of mechanics been reduced, the ratio has been reduced and the company also saw increased revenue from contract work.

Also... you keep bringing up the 10% for the pilots. I know you're smarter than that, so if you're going to mention half of a fact, then also mention the bigger paycut they took during 2003-2004 because of how long it takes to pull out and requalify an entire fleet type of FO's and CA's on other types.

Wrong, the pilots took their 25% as a straight pay cut we took ours as 17% plus at least another 8% in benifit cuts, in other words 25%. If you have to work an extra week without extra pay then you took a paycut. The TWU did this because dues are based on hourly wages so by cutting benifits to reach the 25% mark they lessened the amount of dues they would lose.

After the first year the pilots got nearly 10% back then 1.5 for the remaining years so right now they recovered around 15% *of their 25% paycut while TWU members have only recovered around 7%. *of their 25% paycut Now as far as those pilots who were bumped down sure they took more than 25% but we have mechanics that were bumped down to OSMs and they too took a much more than 25% paycut, these figures are based on those at the upper end of the spectrum.

*not counting inflation

I'm not one to defend pilots very often, but if I apply your "future earnings" paycut methodology, even after the so-called 10% snapback, they still took the largest cuts of any employee group.

Perhaps you would like to see it as an attack on the pilots but its not. The pilots got screwed but their union took a smarter approach and in the end they recovered more of thier still substantial losses as a result. If anything its a criticism of the way the TWU handled the whole thing.

 

[Bob Owens]

"The Latest info"? How long has AA been saying they wanted to cut "1300 mechanics"?

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the writing on the wall -- take a look at the current Title 1 seniority list: 10,200 or so. Take off 1300 and see where it's at: a TWA mechanic with 1965 seniority! In fact, according to our calculations, it would take 1333 cuts to eliminate ALL TWA mechanics from the Title 1 list -- coincidence? And the Union is just now figuring this out -- "it has become apparent over the course of the past few weeks that the announced fall 2008 cutbacks at AA are likely to affect the MCIE Base beyond what was initially believed" -- PURE, UNADULTERATED MALE BOVINE FECAL MATTER (I'm sure you know what that is). "likely to affect MCIE" -- where the hell have they been? If they were any dumber, you'd have to water them.

Either 1) they are absolutely oblivious to what's been going on, 2) they're in on it with the company, or 3) both. Also, look at the majority of the people below the TWA mechanics on the Title 1 list: AFW. Looks like a big bloodletting for all but Tulsa.

They keep saying "this fall" -- again, PURE, UNADULTERATED MALE BOVINE FECAL MATTER. They know right now what the plan is (and the "dock plan" might as well be written in dust, it changes so much nowadays you're not likely to see the actual one online until after it's already passed), and they don't have the balls to TELL US. If they sent me off tomorrow, I'd be OK. Not great, but OK. However, there are many who aren't in the same boat -- they need to be able to plan ahead as far as possible, and all this does is play with their lives. Obviously, this means nothing to either AA or the TWU.

If the TWU had a shred of integrity it would immediately stop deducting dues from anyone in the "1300" range -- it's apparent they aren't representing them.

I think your President, Gordon Clark is going to sell you out. After you are all gone he'll get an International job and the TWU will parade him around as a victim of corporate abuse at Cope Conventions like they do with the Zebco lady.

TWU and Integrity in the same sentence? A huge chunk of the TWU membership earns minimum wage with no benifits. They take dues from them, do you think they would think twice about taking dues from someone who earns four times the minimum wage?

 

[Bob Owens]

You MCI folks were warned....We told you that even though you produced, produced, produced the work,,,you would not be exempt from the chocking block.
Unless you are TULE based, noone is safe.

I think Tulsa has lost around 2000 people since 2003. Not as big of a cut as MCI but they have been cut.

 

[Bob Owens]

<_< ------ Maybe I was a little fast on the trigger! If I was, it's because I'm a little more than pissed off at what AA is doing, and how they're doing it! A lot of good people, both exTWA, and AAnatives ,will be going out the door, while Arpy, and Company, are still injoying their Bonus!!!!! :down:

And so will Little and company.
http://erds.dol-esa.gov/query/orgReport.do
JAMES C LITTLE
PRESIDENT
$238,884

Not bad for a guy with a Masters Degree from Columbia STATE Univerity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_State_University
"they could qualify for a degree from Columbia State University in as little as 27 days"

 

[Hopeful]

I think Tulsa has lost around 2000 people since 2003. Not as big of a cut as MCI but they have been cut.

True, but i'm referring to this time where overhaul bases are rumored to be closed.

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

And so will Little and company.
http://erds.dol-esa.gov/query/orgReport.do
JAMES C LITTLE
PRESIDENT
$238,884

Not bad for a guy with a Masters Degree from Columbia STATE Univerity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_State_University
"they could qualify for a degree from Columbia State University in as little as 27 days"

Isn't that the place where all our AA engineers got their degrees from? I know for sure that Columbia State University was a real school, because Kirk Wells told me he got his A+P license there.

 

[AMFAMAN]

Kirk Wells told me he got his A+P license there.

Speaking of Kirky, I see on the AFSCME LM2 he made $53,543 as an organizer last year. <_<

 

[AA Tulsa Mechanic]

Speaking of Kirky, I see on the AFSCME LM2 he made $53,543 as an organizer last year. <_<

I thought ol Kirk did not work for AA or the TWU anymore? Did I just get put in a bad mood?