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1) "Per the ALPA Restructuring Agreement, Attachment B, page 7 titled “MDA Job Opportunitiesâ€
----while speaking of intent, that was also INTENDED for MDA to be a separate carrier completely.
2)"Thus, the only way a person can be a MDA pilot is to be furloughed from mainline, then hired to MDA from a wholly owned carrier via the CEL list, or hired off the street. MDA is not open to active US Airways pilot"
----the same can be said for rights to recall, only furloughed pilots and those who "flow through" from the CEL
3) "Administratively MDA, not US Airways, handles payroll issues, sick, vacation, LTD, etc. internally with their own structure, not that of US Airways"
---not completely correct, retirement is not handled by MDA, you retire from MDA you retire from mainline. Noone is allowed to retire early from mainline and continue to fly for MDA. Also, I have paychecks from "US Airways ,2345 Crystal Dr., Arlington, VA 22227, and am very much MDA.
4) "Contractually, the MDA pilots have a distinct separate working agreement. The only CBA exceptions are for Ssections 1, 19, 20, 25 and the accelerated arbitration side letter"
-----MDA pilots have NO working agreement as of yet as the AAA Mainline LEC/MEC who we pay dues to have not managed anything in writing yet. Much like Metrojet, we are a side letter with a fence and nothing more.
5) "Item two above applies for bidding purposes"
----Bidding/seniority is set strictly by the APL at MDA and not date of hire at MDA.
6) "Item two above covers pilot and aircraft segregation in regard to scope"
----its called a fence and you will see plenty of whining from pilots like yourself who want to keep the AWA guys off of the precious AAA heavy iron.
7) "There is separate mainline and MDA pilot scheduling computer segregation"
------we share people, not systems. MDA training scheduling is done by the 330 people.
8) "MDA pilot paychecks come from MidAtlantic Airlines, 1000 Commerce Dr., Pittsburgh, PA 15275. MDA paychecks do not say that they come from “US Airwaysâ€. Active US Airways employees receive paychecks from US Airways ,2345 Crystal Dr., Arlington, VA 22227"
----ahhh but they origionally did come from Arlington when it was determined that MDA would not be separate.
-----at the very same instant we did start getting bills from ALPA 535 Herndon parkway, Herndon, VA 20172. Each of those bills and assessments state as does my current status "Active AAA" and in my case "In good standing" Also when we called to ask about why we were paying furloughed medical assessments, we were told we had to pay them in order to remain in good standing and were charged said medical because we were "recalled for purposes of dues and assessments".
9)"MDA has distinct and separate management and administrative structure from that of US Airways"
----Where have you been Captain Informed? The Chief Pilot is now the same as a Base Chief Pilot and does answer to the same chain as such. The PHL and DCA based MDA pilots are under the purview of the mainline base chief pilots as well. We are managed by the same VP of training, hold Check Airman Meetings along with all other fleets, attend the same BCAT/CCAT meetings as any mainline Check Airman, and all MDA pilots attend NAST with mainline people. MDA flight attendants are required to be familiar and qualified on all of USAirways fleet and the mainline F/A's are required to be familiar with the 170 as well.
10) "However, for all those reasons that MDA is not US Airways it does have some cross functions such as pilot training records"
----EVERY Form used by MDA says "USAirways" on the bottom. Including the ADE Authorization cards which hang with ID badges and CKAM badges which state only "USAirways"
11)"MDA aircraft have “US Airways Express†painted on the side, but also have a trade mark by the door that says “MidAtlantic Airlines Operated by US Airways"
----Which is not the same as saying a "wholly owned division" or owned by "usairways group inc." , it clearly says operated by usairways which is JUST LIKE METROJET, and JUST LIKE METROJET, EVERY LAST MDA PILOT WEARS USAIRWAYS BRASS....... Nothing on any MDA pilot says "express". Metrojet had red bag tags, did that make them lesser usairways pilots?
12) "The MDA aircraft call sign is “US Air†just like the mainline, but their employee ID’s say “US Airways - MidAtlantic Airwaysâ€. The check airman ID says MidAtlantic Airways - US Airwaysâ€
---Brand Recognition, carryover from when MDA was supposed to be separate. Nowhere does it say the name of another airline, only a brand that never happend. I have the ability to reserve a jumpseat and if I beat you to the reservation, bump you off. How many non-active pilots can do that?
13) If MDA is a "Division" find an official reference to it? How much taxes were paid by MDA Inc? What Certificate does MDA Inc use? The registration on every last Embraer 170 is registered to "USAirways Airlines", not group and not MDA Inc. Our payroll is contracted out "outsourced" much like your maintenance and aircraft cleaning. Does that make you less an Active USAirways AAA member?
Then there are many other issues. ALPA has in fact charged dues to each MDA pilot from the first day of class. No probation period, no choice, you pay or else. Same goes for assessments, you pay or else. Furloughed Medical was not made available to MDA pilots because they weren't furloughed anymore, FACT. MDA pilots have voted on every AAA ballot since 9/2003 and continue to do so. MDA pilots hold MEC/LEC positions (though you and yours are trying very hard to get rid of them). MDA pilots were told directly and in person by the MEC Chairman that we were just like Metrojet, that we were active AAA and would be represented as such. In the same breath, the same man explained that MDA would be better off this way and not with even our own council. He encouraged and even urged MDA pilots to run for and hold as many LEC/MEC offices and committe chairs as possible...
I'm just an average farm boy with a two year degree in beer whiz from a school of which you have never heard, and I make you sound poorly.... Imagine what a skilled NY attorney could do.
SH
1) "Per the ALPA Restructuring Agreement, Attachment B, page 7 titled “MDA Job Opportunitiesâ€
----while speaking of intent, that was also INTENDED for MDA to be a separate carrier completely.
2)"Thus, the only way a person can be a MDA pilot is to be furloughed from mainline, then hired to MDA from a wholly owned carrier via the CEL list, or hired off the street. MDA is not open to active US Airways pilot"
----the same can be said for rights to recall, only furloughed pilots and those who "flow through" from the CEL
3) "Administratively MDA, not US Airways, handles payroll issues, sick, vacation, LTD, etc. internally with their own structure, not that of US Airways"
---not completely correct, retirement is not handled by MDA, you retire from MDA you retire from mainline. Noone is allowed to retire early from mainline and continue to fly for MDA. Also, I have paychecks from "US Airways ,2345 Crystal Dr., Arlington, VA 22227, and am very much MDA.
4) "Contractually, the MDA pilots have a distinct separate working agreement. The only CBA exceptions are for Ssections 1, 19, 20, 25 and the accelerated arbitration side letter"
-----MDA pilots have NO working agreement as of yet as the AAA Mainline LEC/MEC who we pay dues to have not managed anything in writing yet. Much like Metrojet, we are a side letter with a fence and nothing more.
5) "Item two above applies for bidding purposes"
----Bidding/seniority is set strictly by the APL at MDA and not date of hire at MDA.
6) "Item two above covers pilot and aircraft segregation in regard to scope"
----its called a fence and you will see plenty of whining from pilots like yourself who want to keep the AWA guys off of the precious AAA heavy iron.
7) "There is separate mainline and MDA pilot scheduling computer segregation"
------we share people, not systems. MDA training scheduling is done by the 330 people.
8) "MDA pilot paychecks come from MidAtlantic Airlines, 1000 Commerce Dr., Pittsburgh, PA 15275. MDA paychecks do not say that they come from “US Airwaysâ€. Active US Airways employees receive paychecks from US Airways ,2345 Crystal Dr., Arlington, VA 22227"
----ahhh but they origionally did come from Arlington when it was determined that MDA would not be separate.
-----at the very same instant we did start getting bills from ALPA 535 Herndon parkway, Herndon, VA 20172. Each of those bills and assessments state as does my current status "Active AAA" and in my case "In good standing" Also when we called to ask about why we were paying furloughed medical assessments, we were told we had to pay them in order to remain in good standing and were charged said medical because we were "recalled for purposes of dues and assessments".
9)"MDA has distinct and separate management and administrative structure from that of US Airways"
----Where have you been Captain Informed? The Chief Pilot is now the same as a Base Chief Pilot and does answer to the same chain as such. The PHL and DCA based MDA pilots are under the purview of the mainline base chief pilots as well. We are managed by the same VP of training, hold Check Airman Meetings along with all other fleets, attend the same BCAT/CCAT meetings as any mainline Check Airman, and all MDA pilots attend NAST with mainline people. MDA flight attendants are required to be familiar and qualified on all of USAirways fleet and the mainline F/A's are required to be familiar with the 170 as well.
10) "However, for all those reasons that MDA is not US Airways it does have some cross functions such as pilot training records"
----EVERY Form used by MDA says "USAirways" on the bottom. Including the ADE Authorization cards which hang with ID badges and CKAM badges which state only "USAirways"
11)"MDA aircraft have “US Airways Express†painted on the side, but also have a trade mark by the door that says “MidAtlantic Airlines Operated by US Airways"
----Which is not the same as saying a "wholly owned division" or owned by "usairways group inc." , it clearly says operated by usairways which is JUST LIKE METROJET, and JUST LIKE METROJET, EVERY LAST MDA PILOT WEARS USAIRWAYS BRASS....... Nothing on any MDA pilot says "express". Metrojet had red bag tags, did that make them lesser usairways pilots?
12) "The MDA aircraft call sign is “US Air†just like the mainline, but their employee ID’s say “US Airways - MidAtlantic Airwaysâ€. The check airman ID says MidAtlantic Airways - US Airwaysâ€
---Brand Recognition, carryover from when MDA was supposed to be separate. Nowhere does it say the name of another airline, only a brand that never happend. I have the ability to reserve a jumpseat and if I beat you to the reservation, bump you off. How many non-active pilots can do that?
13) If MDA is a "Division" find an official reference to it? How much taxes were paid by MDA Inc? What Certificate does MDA Inc use? The registration on every last Embraer 170 is registered to "USAirways Airlines", not group and not MDA Inc. Our payroll is contracted out "outsourced" much like your maintenance and aircraft cleaning. Does that make you less an Active USAirways AAA member?
Then there are many other issues. ALPA has in fact charged dues to each MDA pilot from the first day of class. No probation period, no choice, you pay or else. Same goes for assessments, you pay or else. Furloughed Medical was not made available to MDA pilots because they weren't furloughed anymore, FACT. MDA pilots have voted on every AAA ballot since 9/2003 and continue to do so. MDA pilots hold MEC/LEC positions (though you and yours are trying very hard to get rid of them). MDA pilots were told directly and in person by the MEC Chairman that we were just like Metrojet, that we were active AAA and would be represented as such. In the same breath, the same man explained that MDA would be better off this way and not with even our own council. He encouraged and even urged MDA pilots to run for and hold as many LEC/MEC offices and committe chairs as possible...
I'm just an average farm boy with a two year degree in beer whiz from a school of which you have never heard, and I make you sound poorly.... Imagine what a skilled NY attorney could do.
SH