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How does flying for MAA affect recall rights? Can a MAA pilot end up being terminated from USAirways mainline seniority list because they have been gone too long?
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luvn737s said:How does flying for MAA affect recall rights? Can a MAA pilot end up being terminated from USAirways mainline seniority list because they have been gone too long?
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USA320Pilot said:-- MDA aircraft have “US Airways Express†painted on the side, but also have a trade mark by the door that says “MidAtlantic Airlines Operated by US Airways†(because of the operating certificate).
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USA320Pilot said:However, there are hundreds of separate and distinct dedicated and very good MidAtlantic employees, including pilots and others who do not work or can they work for US Airways mainline because they're furloughed – that is one huge issue and problem. Unfortunately, they work for MidAtlantic Airways which is built around a separate and distinct corporate structure.Â
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USA320Pilot said:I agree that MDA pilots are on the US Airways pilot seniority list, just like other furloughed US Airways pilots who do not work at MDA. For example, some furloughed US Airways pilots are working at non-aviation jobs, attend post graduate school, or work at other J4J carriers, etc). Moreover, the Combined Eligibility List (CEL) pilots (CEL pilots came from Piedmont/Allegheny & PSA who had a right of hire to the MDA division subordinate to all furloughed US Airways mainline APL pilots working at MDA) have a seniority number at the mainline too, but it will not be activated until a later date.
The CEL seniority number will be activated once a CEL pilot can flow through to mainline, which will not occur until all furloughed mainline pilots have been recalled. It is my understanding that until CEL pilots flow through to mainline, they are MDA division and not mainline pilots.
Another important point in this discussion is that MDA non-CEL pilots are unfortunately furloughed from US Airways. Do I like this? No, of course not, but it’s reality.
Therefore, again per the ALPA contract and Restructuring Agreement, Attachment B, page 7 titled “MDA Job Opportunities†it clearly states, “All MDA positions will be filled first by US Airways pilots, followed next by pilots from the Participating Wholly-Owned Carriers on the Participating Wholly-Owned Carrier Pilot List as defined in Attachment B-1, followed by new-hire pilots.â€
Thus, the only way a person can become a MDA pilot is to be furloughed from the mainline, hired to MDA from a wholly owned carrier via the CEL list, or hired off of the street. MDA is not open to active US Airways pilots and is not a biddable position.
Meanwhile, some MDA pilots believe because they pay ALPA collected dues and assessments, just like every other ALPA pilot, they should be considered mainline pilots. However, again per the Constitution and By-laws, these pilots are represented as a matter of “class and craftâ€. To reiterate, MDA pilots are represented by the US Airways because both MDA and US Airways mainline pilots are part of the same “class and craft†covered by the US Airways chapter of ALPA per ALPA National, not USA320Pilot or US Airways ALPA, but ALPA National.
It is important to note that being a member of the US Airways Chapter of ALPA is not an indicator of a particular employer, but it is an indicator that a person works for either the mainline or MDA division. As such, all members are obligated to pay the appropriate dues and assessments per the constitution and by-laws.
Furthermore, per the contract if a mainline or MDA pilot does not pay their dues and assessments ALPA can seek to have the pilot terminated by US Airways.
I hope this clarifies the issues at hand.
Separately, I believe it’s in the best interests of the MDA pilots to stop threatening the US Airways ALPA MEC, which is the only entity that can help the MDA pilot group. Instead of fighting ALPA and its Constitution and By-laws, I believe it would be best to seek solutions to try to have all MDA pilots offered Republic jobs, if desired, versus threatening ALPA and possibly “burning a bridge†that most likely is the only realistic avenue for help. Moreover, the MDA pilots do not have the financial resources to take on ALPA National and Cowen, Weiss, and
Simon and if a lawsuit proceeds, the MDA pilots could lose even more with large legal fees.
Best regards,
USA320Pilot
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The division, even the imaginary one is bad enough but a sale is even worse for ALL mainline employees and they should be educated about it. The "convoluted" setup is from the mind of Jerry Glass, a champion union buster. Divide and conquer.
Light Years said:There is no MidAtlantic Airways.
As for the distinct structure babble, you could argue the same for the recently dissolved transatlantic division. They check in at seperate computers! THey can't work domestic! They wear name tags! They are not biddable unless you were alive for WWII! THey are TRANSATLANTIC AIRWAYS!!!!!
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USA320Pilot said:Instead of fighting ALPA and its Constitution and By-laws, I believe it would be best to seek solutions to try to have all MDA pilots offered Republic jobs, if desired, versus threatening ALPA and possibly “burning a bridge†that most likely is the only realistic avenue for help.
Best regards,
USA320Pilot
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