Mechanics go AMFA

[Justaramper]

Maybe now, the IAM will FINALLY realize that there way of doing business must STOP. When they lost NWA, it was no big deal...But losing UA is a serious injury to the IAM "ego"....USAirways can deliver the final fatal blow if they go AMFA. How many AGC''s will be ready to return to the "workforce"...? OMG the thought of actually doing manual labor must be really hurting these guys..! Big, Fat & Happy has cost the IAM {once again}....Good Luck UA, it won''t be easy, but it may be smoother..

 

[UnitedChicago]

Hey all. Do you think this will help morale within the mechanics? I would imagine the ability to reshape your union is - albeit tiny - something good out the ESOP mess.

 

[pitguy]

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On 7/14/2003 628 PM wts54 wrote:

pitguy have any guess as to the number of cards signed at USAir??

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Sorry, but I do not know anything for sure about the number of cards signed.

 

[aircraft_artificer]

"Im still interested to see how AMFA handles things at NW now that their asking for concessions? Anyone want to make any predictions?"

No predictions Tug_Slug, BUT I can assure you that the members WILL be allowed in negotiations to watch and see how the company acts as well as get "timely" updates on progression of talks.
The RLA only states that AMFA has to negotiate with the company. It does not state "when or if" an agreement has to be reached. Negotiations "for" an amended contract usually take up to two years when it is the companies turn to "give". Think about it.

 

[tug_slug]

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On 7/14/2003 1138 PM aircraft_artificer wrote:

"Im still interested to see how AMFA handles things at NW now that their asking for concessions? Anyone want to make any predictions?"

No predictions Tug_Slug, BUT I can assure you that the members WILL be allowed in negotiations to watch and see how the company acts as well as get "timely" updates on progression of talks.
The RLA only states that AMFA has to negotiate with the company. It does not state "when or if" an agreement has to be reached. Negotiations "for" an amended contract usually take up to two years when it is the companies turn to "give". Think about it.
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Well put a_a. Only thing is NW isn''t going to be giving anything other than (more) furlough notices so I seriously doubt whatever happens isn''t going to take 2 years.

 

[UAL_TECH]

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On 7/14/2003 11:49:25 PM tug_slug wrote:

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On 7/14/2003 1138 PM aircraft_artificer wrote:

"Im still interested to see how AMFA handles things at NW now that their asking for concessions? Anyone want to make any predictions?"

No predictions Tug_Slug, BUT I can assure you that the members WILL be allowed in negotiations to watch and see how the company acts as well as get "timely" updates on progression of talks.
The RLA only states that AMFA has to negotiate with the company. It does not state "when or if" an agreement has to be reached. Negotiations "for" an amended contract usually take up to two years when it is the companies turn to "give". Think about it.
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Well put a_a. Only thing is; NW isn't going to be giving anything other than (more); furlough notices so I seriously doubt whatever happens; isn't going to take 2 years.
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NWA has scammed their AMT's through 'Fource Manure'. After their farce have been exposed in court, let's see what happens.
IMHO,
UT

 

[aircraft_artificer]

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On 7/15/2003 3:25:10 AM UAL_TECH wrote:

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On 7/14/2003 11:49:25 PM tug_slug wrote:

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On 7/14/2003 1138 PM aircraft_artificer wrote:

"Im still interested to see how AMFA handles things at NW now that their asking for concessions? Anyone want to make any predictions?"

No predictions Tug_Slug, BUT I can assure you that the members WILL be allowed in negotiations to watch and see how the company acts as well as get "timely" updates on progression of talks.
The RLA only states that AMFA has to negotiate with the company. It does not state "when or if" an agreement has to be reached. Negotiations "for" an amended contract usually take up to two years when it is the companies turn to "give". Think about it.
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Well put a_a. Only thing is; NW isn''t going to be giving anything other than (more); furlough notices so I seriously doubt whatever happens; isn''t going to take 2 years.
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NWA has scammed their AMT''s through ''Fource Manure''.   After their farce have been exposed in court, let''s see what happens.
IMHO,
UT


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T_S I also doubt the two year thing will come to pass, but that thought in mind when negotiating about the "POSSIBILITY" of concessions along with various "snap back" provisions makes for a far different approach than we have seen in the past. Open negotiations prevent back room deals etc.
U_T As for the "Farce Manure" at least someone is now fighting it with "logical" arguements IN A COURT ROOM instead of automatic capitulation as was done at other carriers.
One must remember per the AMFA constitution representation is responsible FROM the "lowest level up" not visa versa. It is now UP TO THOSE BEING REPRESENTED to get and stay involved instead of the past apathetic approach. Apathy has been a major part of the demise of the Aircraft Technician as a respected and admired trade. This attitude toward technicians has been pronounced and support from the highest levels of Govt and Corporations down. It is now time to gain the respect and support again FROM THE BOTTOM UP.
Do you want the aircraft you may be flying in maintained by "THE LOWEST BIDDER" utilizing NON-AMERICANS to perform the work while THOUSANDS of AMERICAN technicians are out of work???

 

[ualflynhi]

New AMFA local

Local 9 AMFA SFO


Joseph Prisco SFOMM
Chairman

Jim Seitz SFOOV
Co-Chairman

Steve Carey SFOMM
Secretary

Doug Butz SFOMM
Treasurer

Michael Chew SFOOV
Safety and Standards Chairman

Henry Trammel SFOIQ
UAL Airline Representative 1

Shaun McGravey SFOMM
UAL Airline Representative 2

Tom Mannion SFOEC
UAL Airline Representative 3

Malik Miah SFOEC
Back Shops Area Representative

Francis Barnes SFOPD
Turbine Shop Area Representative

Jeff Brown SFOOV
Overhaul Area Representative

Dave Wilson SFOMM
Line Area Representative

Jeff Prowell SFOLM
SAMC Area Representative

Leigh Skilling SFOEC
Grievance Committee Secretary

Chris McHale NWA Line Maint
NWA Airline Representative

 

[tug_slug]

Being the mechanics are now represented by AMFA can UA come back and *try* to get more concessions, or is the contract that the IAM negotiated in place for the next 6 years?

 

[atabuy]

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On 7/14/2003 1:55:10 PM tug_slug wrote:

From what I understand the mechanic''s just voted in AMFA 64% for 36% against.

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Machinists Statement on Representation
Election Results at United Airlines

Washington, D.C., July 14, 2003 – The International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM) issued the following statement following today’s representation election vote tally for Mechanic & Related employees at United Airlines:

“United Airlines’ Mechanic & Related employees decided to take a new direction for their future. The Machinists Union will continue to aggressively represent its members through the worst economic downturn in the history of air transportation. We will continue to educate, communicate and seek membership input on the important decisions that lie ahead. The IAM thanks its members and supporters in these extraordinarily difficult times.â€￾

The 30-day vote was conducted by the National Mediation Board (NMB) following a year-long campaign that shadowed each step of the airline''s descent into bankruptcy and recovery negotiations between the IAM and United Airlines.

The NMB reported 13,144 eligible voters, with 2,997 choosing the Machinists Union and 5,245 voting for other organizations. Nearly 5,000 employees did not vote.


The 5000 employees who did not vote are probably the ones who #### all the time.
That is 38% of the whole group that had no opinion of how their future would be decided.
I guess skill and common sense don''t necessarily go together.

Good luck guys & gals. No more what ifs. We will see AMFA in action now.
Of course it will be 6 years of dues up front before we really can assess how good AMFA is for The AMT''s.

 

[gatemech]

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On 7/19/2003 11:41:02 AM tug_slug wrote:


Being the mechanics are now represented by AMFA can UA come back and *try* to get more concessions, or is the contract that the IAM negotiated in place for the next 6 years? 

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The company can always come back and try to get more concessions while in BK. It''s not likely they will. They don''t even have to be in BK. Look at American. We are stuck with the contract for six years. The only change is who represents you now.

There may need to be some language adjustments done in the future. For instance R&D. The contract states R&D will be done by IAM represented employees. The way I see it is Ramp needs to take it over or give it up. Although I see the language being changed to Ramp or Mechanic.

AMFA can be a great thing for the mechanics at UA. We need to act proffesional and do our job. In six years hopefully the company will see what we are really worth. And maybe see that they don''t need a supervisor to every 10 mechanics.