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More Groups Wanting To Fire The TWU

Tim Nelson said:
Bottom line 700 is that all these "experts" are not blue collar working people and will do what their clients lead them to do. I think Seeham has etiquette and a decent compass, you dont think that and you present your reasons. Fair enuf.
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I have to say that I agree with Tim on this comment. However distasteful as blue collar workers we may find these attorneys, their job is to represent the clients who retain them. They may have a passion for what they believe in but for the most part their duty is to give the best service they can give to the people who are compensating them.

This is a friend of mine who I've known since we were 12 years old. He tells me about his cases that are both for and against management and also many times against the Labor organization that his client is in conflict with. A few times he voices his personal opinions on the cases he's handled but mostly those opinions have been pretty fair and I've agreed with him often on both sides of the spectrum.

It's also pretty flattering when he's asked me my opinion on an issue he's handling.

Concentrates his practice in representing management and employees in the public and private sectors in various employment matters dealing with ADA and FMLA; discipline and discharge; litigation and prevention; performance evaluations; prevention of unlawful discrimination; harassment;  retaliation; and wrongful termination claims.  He represents management before the EEOC, NLRB, Division on Civil Rights, PERC, and federal and state courts.  He conducts investigations of discrimination and harassment claims, training sessions on workplace anti-discrimination and harassment issues, and advises clients regarding employment practices, policies, and procedures.  He also handles claims brought or raised pursuant to Schmidt v. Smith.

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NYer said:
 
I guess they don't count.
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No, but you like to Discount the will of the line mechanics. You see the TUL vote as the only one that counts. Remember, their majority days are near an end.
 
I guess its true what they say. Start any thread in the AA section of this forum and before you know it. It will be about amfa, iam, mechanics etc etc. or maybe Delta.
 
Bogey said:
I guess its true what they say. Start any thread in the AA section of this forum and before you know it. It will be about amfa, iam, mechanics etc etc. or maybe Delta.
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Kind of annoying isn't it.
 
Going into negotiations lol. If  Doug Parker holds true to form ( i.e. what he has given the F/A and soon to the pilots). The iam/twu will beside themselves. Just hope this thing gets settled before the other shoe drops. And how much the iam/twu will take from one group to give more to another group. Rumor Is delta is going to be over $41 hour.  We should  be there plus the 4%.
 
Do not expect much from the iam they could have secured a much better contract when usair was trying to merge, but they settled for a sub par twu contract. (pay wise).
 
You already know what to expect from the twu. How much more will they TAKE from us. The twu played **** out of scaring guys. Remember Sharon you HAVE to take what they offer you. You have to suck it up. Thanks for all the guys that voted down the first BK contract.
 
Tim Nelson said:
well, u certainly are giving seeham power to force the TWU into a contract that forced the B scale. I mean the iam'sTom Roth didnt force the AFA to do esop even though Roth sold the management snake oil to the iam members. And imo Gottliebs blatantly anti union letter to united iam members claiming that the iam is powerless if the outsourcing and ta2 was voted down, didnt mean usairways members had to take the same paths as United.

Bottom line 700 is that all these "experts" are not blue collar working people and will do what their clients lead them to do. I think Seeham has etiquette and a decent compass, you dont think that and you present your reasons. Fair enuf.
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Explain this which went far beyond any B scale application with any union:  "Pay Scales and Pensions would NEVER MERGE!" 
 
 
            American Airlines adopted the benchmark "B scale" in 1983 permanently reducing pay for newly hired pilots by 50%. In fact, under the AA system negotiated while the Seham firm sat on the labor side of the table – pay rates and pensions for new employees would never merge with those of current employees.
 
            While ALPA pilots were forced to deal with this blight brought to the industry by APA and the Sehams, not one ALPA pilot group accepted a non-merging two-tier scale. The clearest example of this was the ALPA strike at United in June 1985, when the pilots refused to agree to a non-merging two-tier pay scale.
 
Realityck said:
 
 
 
Explain this which went far beyond any B scale application with any union:  "Pay Scales and Pensions would NEVER MERGE!" 
 
 
            American Airlines adopted the benchmark "B scale" in 1983 permanently reducing pay for newly hired pilots by 50%. In fact, under the AA system negotiated while the Seham firm sat on the labor side of the table – pay rates and pensions for new employees would never merge with those of current employees.
 
            While ALPA pilots were forced to deal with this blight brought to the industry by APA and the Sehams, not one ALPA pilot group accepted a non-merging two-tier scale. The clearest example of this was the ALPA strike at United in June 1985, when the pilots refused to agree to a non-merging two-tier pay scale.
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Not sure what you want me to explain.  It's pretty easy to explain, they pissed off the members and were booted from APA.  Unions and firms get booted all the time if those that hire them feel they underperformed. Obviously, the APA members felt that their law firm did a poor job.   Apparently, that's the same thing that the 3 TWU groups think, i.e., that the TWU does a cruddy job so they apparently want to boot the TWU.  Time will tell.
 
 
Seems that another group didn't want the TWU as well.  This time at United.

Flight Dispatchers of United Airlines sought to be represented by Professional Airline Flight Control Association and presently represented in part by Transport Workers Union of America, AFL-CIO and in part by Professional Airline Flight Control Association.

CASE NO. R-7408 DATE ISSUED: December 17, 2014 LOCATION: Washington, DC

REPORT OF ELECTION RESULTS
The undersigned National Mediation Board Representative certifies the votes cast in this election as follows:
1. Number of Eligible Voters: 343
2. Void Votes 0
3. Votes Cast for: YES. I vote for Professional Airline Flight Control Association. 231
4. Votes Cast for: Write-in: TWU. 23
 
Yes Votes Subtotal: 254
 
5. Votes Cast for: NO. I vote for no representative. 2
 
6. Valid Votes Counted (sum of 3 through 5) 256
 
Notice the TWU was a write in. I heard they screwed up and didn't even get their name on the ballot.

I want to make a point of how determined the AA dispatchers are. Records show that when NAAP filed, they also filed for single carrier. So that means US is included in the election. Some, but not all of the US dispatchers were sent cards to sign. The word is none of them signed a card. What that means, to get an election, over 90 percent of the AA dispatchers had to sign a card. And 90 percent of the AA dispatchers is more then 100 percent of the US dispatchers.

I am sure the numbers for the Sim Techs and Ground School Instructors are the same.
 
   The cards sent didn't have a signature. It would have been nice to know the identity of who would potentially be representing my career going forward.
 
pit_needs_help said:
The cards sent didn't have a signature. It would have been nice to know the identity of who would potentially be representing my career going forward.
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It seems like maybe the majority is once again going to try and dominate the minority? I'm sure they've already been conveying not to worry that they know what's best for you?

Don't forget McCaskill Bond. At least you have that.
 
WeAAsles said:
It seems like maybe the majority is once again going to try and dominate the minority? I'm sure they've already been conveying not to worry that they know what's best for you?

Don't forget McCaskill Bond. At least you have that.
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McCaskill-Bond? What does that have to do with the conversation?
 
NYer said:
 
McCaskill-Bond? What does that have to do with the conversation?
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Oh so you don't suppose in any way shape or form that if this newly formed organization get's their way and becomes the new bargaining agent for the entire collective that they won't try and give themselves a little advantage? 

I'll bet you $10.00 that when it comes to negotiating against the company that there won't be one soul from the US side sitting in that room.
 
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