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[groundcontrol]

The lowest was, not surprisingly, lawers. HMmmph...go figure.
Sory, I was mistaken. Labor came in at 12 percent, Lawers and congress came in at 10. Big media a whopping 14.

PTO...
Are you trying to say Lawyers???????????

Now enough time spent on this site..... :unsure:

Go get that honey do list started.... 😛 😀 😛

 

[TheRealSaabmeister]

I would also opine that few people under the age of 25 really get worked up about labor anymore. In a recent survey organised labor ranked in the bottom 10 percent of most trusted institutions. Please dont take this as a slam, but a large majority of young Americans know little, and care less, about unionism.

19 yrs old here, and I get VERY worked up about labor. Out of all the people that I know around my age, most also get very worked up about labor, and a few make blanket derogatory nonsensical statements about labor. Perhaps the circle of friends that I have and people I know is just an abboration.

However, it wouldn't surprise if a large majority of young americans know little about unionism. I know that when I was in school, I learned nothing about the history of labor. I never learned about the P-9 strike, PATCO, Eastern, coal strikes of the late 1800's and early 1900's, the Flint sit-down strike, the 1934 Minneapolis Teamsters strike, or the meat packing strikes in my hometown of South Saint Paul, MN, including strikes in 1921 and 1948 where the National Guard was called in, or Northwest's long history of labor troubles.

 

[local 12 proud]

Local, Such a comment is beneath you. We both know you are a better man than that.
I would also opine that few people under the age of 25 really get worked up about labor anymore. In a recent survey organised labor ranked in the bottom 10 percent of most trusted institutions. Please dont take this as a slam, but a large majority of young Americans know little, and care less, about unionism.
(the survey, a zogby, I believe, was reported on Mike Medved's show a couple of weeks ago. I will try and find more info. Until then, I understand your sceptisism in anecdotal reporting)

One thing is certain CSAR, I would never cross a picket line to steal another mans job, so yes that makes me a better man than you. As for your opinion about todays youth i disagree, I would opine the vast majority would have more respect for the striking workers than you. I work with many ex-servicemen and several were Marines, their view of what you have done to being akin to abandoning a brother in the fox hole. Thought I would throw that little gem in since you like to brag about your jarhead bravado.

HOOORAH

 

[CSAR GYRENE]

PTO...
Are you trying to say Lawyers???????????

Now enough time spent on this site..... :unsure:

Go get that honey do list started.... 😛 😀 😛

HUH??????? :unsure:

 

[CSAR GYRENE]

19 yrs old here, and I get VERY worked up about labor. Out of all the people that I know around my age, most also get very worked up about labor, and a few make blanket derogatory nonsensical statements about labor. Perhaps the circle of friends that I have and people I know is just an abboration.

However, it wouldn't surprise if a large majority of young americans know little about unionism. I know that when I was in school, I learned nothing about the history of labor. I never learned about the P-9 strike, PATCO, Eastern, coal strikes of the late 1800's and early 1900's, the Flint sit-down strike, the 1934 Minneapolis Teamsters strike, or the meat packing strikes in my hometown of South Saint Paul, MN, including strikes in 1921 and 1948 where the National Guard was called in, or Northwest's long history of labor troubles.
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For a 19 year old, you show more wisdom than most of your generation. I find no fault at all in your post. I particularly find your statement regarding your circle of friends being an abboration quite interesting. I have given much thought to this theory, not just as it relates to labor, but also how it relates to most of lifes issues. I wonder how much of our beliefs and convictions are not so much a result of deep introspection as it is a matter of peer association. For example.. Most of my life has been in the service of this country. Most of my family are vets. All my closest friends are vets. Prior to coming to NWA, most of my co-workers were vets. Thus, my exposure to those who never served is quite limited. Is it the same for those on the other side of this debate? Substitute "Union" for "vet". If all your life you have been surrounded by one mindset, it is very easy to assume ALL are part of this mindset. Perhaps this is why both sides have such a hard time understanding the other.
Many here doupt the theory that MOST of the world outside this debate really dont care one way or the other, Yet I would opine that most have been victims of the common stereotype of union members being lazy corrupt murderious thugs. We all know this is not the real case, but this IS the view of a PLURALITY of Americans.
At any rate, SAAB, It is a pleasure to see one so young show such wisdom. I do wish you all the best in the future.

 

[CSAR GYRENE]

One thing is certain CSAR, I would never cross a picket line to steal another mans job, so yes that makes me a better man than you. As for your opinion about todays youth i disagree, I would opine the vast majority would have more respect for the striking workers than you. I work with many ex-servicemen and several were Marines, their view of what you have done to being akin to abandoning a brother in the fox hole. Thought I would throw that little gem in since you like to brag about your jarhead bravado.

HOOORAH

This post is much more befitting you. If your PRIMARY measure of a man is loyalty to a union, than yes, you are a better man than me, and I wont begrudge you that. My loyalties and priorities are slightly different.
1.) My maker
2.) My family
3.) My Country
4.) My fellow vets
5.) My friends
6.) My mission
No where on this list is any union, any managers, any specific company, any specific craft. I wont denigrate ANY one if their list is any different...we all have our priorities in life.
I understand why you feel as if I stole this job, and while I disagree with you on that issue, I respect your right to feel as you do.
I want to ask you something...Lets assume I am working on a defense contract somewhere, and never crossed the picket line, yet I still was as vocal about my views on unionism as I am now, posting the exact same things I have. Would your hatred for me be any less? Would the insults and putdowns be any less vile? Is it tthe physical act of crossing the line that so incenses you, or merely the fact that there are people who may not feel the same passion for unionism as your self? I ask these questions not to flame or slam any particular side, but rather to gain more insight into a mindset that, having little exposure to, completely befuddles me.

 

[groundcontrol]

thats funny.....
I am #4 on your list, yet you scabbed my job....
Lucy you have some splaining to do <_<

 

[CSAR GYRENE]

thats funny.....
I am #4 on your list, yet you scabbed my job....
Lucy you have some splaining to do <_<

As a fellow vet, I hold you in higher regard than those who never served. In my opinion, your position on organised labor is just that...a position on organised labor. to me it is irellevant that you disagree with me about the economics of modern unionism. It is enough that you are a vet.
I thank you for your service

 

[local 12 proud]

This post is much more befitting you. If your PRIMARY measure of a man is loyalty to a union, than yes, you are a better man than me, and I wont begrudge you that. My loyalties and priorities are slightly different.
1.) My maker
2.) My family
3.) My Country
4.) My fellow vets
5.) My friends
6.) My mission
No where on this list is any union, any managers, any specific company, any specific craft. I wont denigrate ANY one if their list is any different...we all have our priorities in life.
I understand why you feel as if I stole this job, and while I disagree with you on that issue, I respect your right to feel as you do.
I want to ask you something...Lets assume I am working on a defense contract somewhere, and never crossed the picket line, yet I still was as vocal about my views on unionism as I am now, posting the exact same things I have. Would your hatred for me be any less? Would the insults and putdowns be any less vile? Is it tthe physical act of crossing the line that so incenses you, or merely the fact that there are people who may not feel the same passion for unionism as your self? I ask these questions not to flame or slam any particular side, but rather to gain more insight into a mindset that, having little exposure to, completely befuddles me.

CSAR the PRIMARY measure of a man is his character, not his loyalties to any Institution. I am now and have been for some time pushing for the removal of my current bargaining agent because I feel they have betrayed me and let my craft down, so no its not your views of Unionism that concerns me but the fact you interferred with the process of men and women fighting for their livlihoods and made it possible for a corrupt management team to prevail that leaves me with a bad opinion of you. Had you not SCABBED I would be more than happy to buy you a beer and share my views on what I think Unionsim really means, but thats not the case is it?

your list of loyalties and priorities are admirable and I would have to say mine are very close to the same, however the difference between you and I is the fact that I view my fellow AMT's as brothers and sisters, extended family if you will so that would put them on #2 of your list, yes I respect my Craft that much not to assist in the destruction of it by SCABBING.

 

[CSAR GYRENE]

CSAR the PRIMARY measure of a man is his character, not his loyalties to any Institution. I am now and have been for some time pushing for the removal of my current bargaining agent because I feel they have betrayed me and let my craft down, so no its not your views of Unionism that concerns me but the fact you interferred with the process of men and women fighting for their livlihoods and made it possible for a corrupt management team to prevail that leaves me with a bad opinion of you. Had you not SCABBED I would be more than happy to buy you a beer and share my views on what I think Unionsim really means, but thats not the case is it?

your list of loyalties and priorities are admirable and I would have to say mine are very close to the same, however the difference between you and I is the fact that I view my fellow AMT's as brothers and sisters, extended family if you will so that would put them on #2 of your list, yes I respect my Craft that much not to assist in the destruction of it by SCABBING.

Well said, Local, very well said indeed.

 

[groundcontrol]

As a fellow vet, I hold you in higher regard than those who never served. In my opinion, your position on organised labor is just that...a position on organised labor. to me it is irellevant that you disagree with me about the economics of modern unionism. It is enough that you are a vet.
I thank you for your service

You sure know how to talk out of both sides of your mouth.
Do those discharge papers include a section 8? 😀

 

[CSAR GYRENE]

You sure know how to talk out of both sides of your mouth.
Do those discharge papers include a section 8? 😀

Explain please.

 

[groundcontrol]

oh...lets just say...
I think you're insane in the membrane :wacko:

Your ability to flatter and insult all in one breath is really
unbecoming, even for a dumb jarhead. :glare:

 

[CSAR GYRENE]

oh...lets just say...
I think you're insane in the membrane :wacko:

Your ability to flatter and insult all in one breath is really
unbecoming, even for a dumb jarhead. :glare:

No small few have said the same as your first statement. Your second is still a little unclear. Can ya quote a specific please?

 

[777 fixer]

You are very correct in all you have stated with one exception. The single biggest difference between the us military and most of the rest of the world, is the fact that from flag grade officers down to the lowest privates, we are taught to be able to function fully on our own in the event command and control is lost. Whether participating in regimental size manuevers, or a 2 man sniper team, we all must be willing to function at one hundred percent. History is full of examples of small units, isolated from the rest of thier command, who, to the individual, rose to the challenge. It is to this that I was refering.

Interesting point that in all honesty is irrelevant. There are no sniper teams or reginments in the airline business. In addition you will proabely not find yourself seperated from "command and control" in the airlines business. If you do there is something seriously wrong with your airline.

I did get a call to go to PAX river and work on developing the ZULU model hueys and Cobras. The only reason I turned it down was because I wasnt thrilled about living in Maryland. This was before I ws offered the position here at NWA. If Sikorsky has need of more field reps to attach to forward deployed units, I would be SORELY tempted. In the mean time, I am commited to fulfilling my mission here at NWA. At the conclusion of that mission, successful or otherwise, I will then re-evaluate the options.

You turned down a job working on the Zulu program but then took one at NWA? I'm not trying to be a jerk but that sounds like a bad decision. If you had been willing to "suffer" a bit in Maryland it might have leed to bigger and better things. At the very least it would have been more stable than NWA. An airline that even before the strike was obviously headed for BK. You did'nt want to live in Maryland but were perfectly willing to live in MSP or DTW? I find that a bit strange.

As an aside, I was reading an article in FORBES magazine about the success of Home Depot. Apparently, they DO run that company much like the military. The ceo, if I remember correctly, was a retired Army full bird Colonel. Home Depot, according to the article, has one of the highest percentages of vets employed there.

The airlines are not Home Depot first of all. Second of all unlike the military Home Depot does not have absolute authority over it's employess 24-7. Try and run an airline maintenance department like the military and see what happens. We had a supervisor who was ex-USAF who tried that at one of our smaller stations. Let's just say a member of management had to have a little chat with him to tell him to cool it.