MRO Outsourced Maintenance

[eolesen]

There is no substitute for working directly for the company that pays you to fix THEIR aircraft!

If you're a true professional, it shouldn't matter whose name is on the paycheck. WN is apparently satisfied with the quality of work they're getting from their vendors, but they also ensure they have adequate supervision onsite at the MRO. That's probably the reason they're getting work done correctly and to their standards, unlike what US Airways was seeing early on with their outsourcing.

Did FedEx or Allegiant have any supervision at TUL when AA was doing their work?

 

[aapitbull]

If you're a true professional, it shouldn't matter whose name is on the paycheck. WN is apparently satisfied with the quality of work they're getting from their vendors, but they also ensure they have adequate supervision onsite at the MRO. That's probably the reason they're getting work done correctly and to their standards, unlike what US Airways was seeing early on with their outsourcing.

Did FedEx or Allegiant have any supervision at TUL when AA was doing their work?

Yes and the Alleigiant rep comment to me personally on more than one occasion how much better the quality of work was at AA compared to some places they had been. While I never met the Fedex rep I did talk to some of the crews who came to pick up and drop off the 72's they liked our maintenance because after we did a check the aircraft would hold pressure properly they would tell stories of a couple of overhaul facilties that they used and how they would pickup the plane and it would barely hold a cabin altitude of 10.000 feet.

 

[Hopeful]

There are alot of reasons why maintenance should be done in-house but there is no link to safety - if it was, I can assure you there would be much more interest in limiting outsourcing.

it's all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I guess you have no problem with non-English speaking workers working on aircraft whose manuals are written in English? Oh, right the REP tells them what to do through a translator!

I guess it's ok for the international aeronautical language to be English, but not for the people maintaining the aircraft?

It's all about$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Because if it wasn't, NO ONE would do it!

 

[Hopeful]

If you're a true professional, it shouldn't matter whose name is on the paycheck. WN is apparently satisfied with the quality of work they're getting from their vendors, but they also ensure they have adequate supervision onsite at the MRO. That's probably the reason they're getting work done correctly and to their standards, unlike what US Airways was seeing early on with their outsourcing.

Did FedEx or Allegiant have any supervision at TUL when AA was doing their work?

Wanna bet? I'm sure the workers at Timco and AAr earning about $10 an hor less than the guys at the majors are doing cartwheels working on other people's aircraft...
As for WN, do you know for sure how good the maintenance is after a heavy check? Do you know how many items get written up after the flight out of that heavy check? Do you know how many reps are in these facilities overlooking the maintenance?
Try ONE PER SHIFT!

B6 sends one rep from QA to oversee the whole check.

 

[Hopeful]

I guess you people wouldn't mind buying a new car and when you take it in for repairs and service they send it out to XYZ auto shop a few miles away because of outsourcing!

 

[Bob Owens]

If you'd read the actual legislation, you'd see that it was deregulation of price controls and route monopolies/duopolies.

Nowhere was safety deregulated.

Well if you dont think that price eventually affects safety then you are in a dreamworld. The wage they paid those Colgan Air Pilots was a major factor at creating the conditions that led to that accident.

Airlines and the FAA regularly reject safety enhancements propsed by the NTSB based upon cost.

Low fares lead to low wages which leads to tired, stressed peoplw working on aircraraft and tired stressed people tend to make more mistakes.

 

[chris perry]

Well if you dont think that price eventually affects safety then you are in a dreamworld. The wage they paid those Colgan Air Pilots was a major factor at creating the conditions that led to that accident.

Airlines and the FAA regularly reject safety enhancements propsed by the NTSB based upon cost.

Low fares lead to low wages which leads to tired, stressed peoplw working on aircraraft and tired stressed people tend to make more mistakes.

In 1991, a mechanic at a Turkish repair shop overhauled an engine on a U.S. passenger jet and missed a crack in the engine.

Four years later, on a June afternoon, the 57 passengers on ValuJet Flight 597 heard a loud bang as the plane bolted down a runway in Atlanta. Shrapnel from the busted engine ripped through a fuel line. The engine and cabin caught on fire. One crew member suffered serious puncture wounds from the shrapnel, and another crew member and five passengers suffered minor injuries

I guess this shop does quailty of work that airlines want CHEAP!!!!! Just as good I dont think so

 

[chris perry]

In 1991, a mechanic at a Turkish repair shop overhauled an engine on a U.S. passenger jet and missed a crack in the engine.

Four years later, on a June afternoon, the 57 passengers on ValuJet Flight 597 heard a loud bang as the plane bolted down a runway in Atlanta. Shrapnel from the busted engine ripped through a fuel line. The engine and cabin caught on fire. One crew member suffered serious puncture wounds from the shrapnel, and another crew member and five passengers suffered minor injuries

I guess this shop does quailty of work that airlines want CHEAP!!!!! Just as good I dont think so

US Airways A320 left an El Salvador hangar with crossed wires that could have led pilots to shut off the wrong engine in an emergency.

 

[chris perry]

US Airways A320 left an El Salvador hangar with crossed wires that could have led pilots to shut off the wrong engine in an emergency.

Traveler should I go on? To think for one minute that outsourcing doesn't affect safety,well your surely on something good.
I dont see Exec's Mercedes and Bently's at Pep Boys....

 

[eolesen]

I guess you people wouldn't mind buying a new car and when you take it in for repairs and service they send it out to XYZ auto shop a few miles away because of outsourcing!

As a matter of fact, when I brought my Jeep to the dealer a couple years ago after being rear ended, they had Midas replace the exhaust system (which was damaged in the accident), and outsourced the paint to Maaco. I found that out after the fact by looking at the invoice. Didn't matter to me because the price was within the original estimate. Sure, it wasn't factory equipment, but it looked and worked just as good as the OEM stuff did.

Frankly, I get more pissed about buying a Dodge and finding out it was built in Mexico, while my wife's Honda was made in Alabama...

 

[Hopeful]

As a matter of fact, when I brought my Jeep to the dealer a couple years ago after being rear ended, they had Midas replace the exhaust system (which was damaged in the accident), and outsourced the paint to Maaco. I found that out after the fact by looking at the invoice. Didn't matter to me because the price was within the original estimate. Sure, it wasn't factory equipment, but it looked and worked just as good as the OEM stuff did.

Frankly, I get more pissed about buying a Dodge and finding out it was built in Mexico, while my wife's Honda was made in Alabama...

How would you feel if you bought a $100,000.00 Mercedes Benz and they sent it to Midas and MaaCO?
Midas uses the cheapest quality metals in their exhaust sysytems. Maaco doesn't properly prep the car for painting. But hey, the price is right!

 

[Interested]

As a matter of fact, when I brought my Jeep to the dealer a couple years ago after being rear ended, they had Midas replace the exhaust system (which was damaged in the accident), and outsourced the paint to Maaco. I found that out after the fact by looking at the invoice. Didn't matter to me because the price was within the original estimate. Sure, it wasn't factory equipment, but it looked and worked just as good as the OEM stuff did.

Frankly, I get more pissed about buying a Dodge and finding out it was built in Mexico, while my wife's Honda was made in Alabama...

Believe it or not the government considers Damlier Chrysler as an import, because headquarters are in germany. That came from a Dodge forum. As far as the honda built in Alabama, the money paid for vehicle still goes leaves this country.

 

[frontline]

I for one do not think that shipping jobs to a foreign country and hurting AA's workers is an answer to anything. I'm actually proud to work for AA because we have not done that and in fact tried to make ourselves an operation where other airlines would send their work to us. That hasn't been as big as many of us hoped but at least we still have AMERICAN workers fixin the planes and feeding their families instead of Costa Ricans.

 

[telebender1956]

Believe it or not the government considers Damlier Chrysler as an import, because headquarters are in germany. That came from a Dodge forum. As far as the honda built in Alabama, the money paid for vehicle still goes leaves this country.

Your premise is not entirely accurate. Tell the UAW worker in Marysville Ohio or ALL the Americans at all the US Honda dealers that the money spent on a Honda leaves this Country.With your logic I guess one should not buy a Dodge because the money spent on it will go to Germany.This is just plain ignorant of the interlinked world economy.


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[telebender1956]

I for one do not think that shipping jobs to a foreign country and hurting AA's workers is an answer to anything. I'm actually proud to work for AA because we have not done that and in fact tried to make ourselves an operation where other airlines would send their work to us. That hasn't been as big as many of us hoped but at least we still have AMERICAN workers fixin the planes and feeding their families instead of Costa Ricans.

If AA would make capital expenditures in NEW EQUIPMENT and UPGRADED FACILITIES there would be no way that foreign workers could compete with our skills and training. The problem for us @ AA TULE is that we are having to compete with OUTDATED EQUIPMENT against Aeroman in El Salvador who has had Americans and Canadians invest several billion dollars in modern equipment and facilities. AAR purchased the UAL Indianapolis Facility which is more modern than any of our facilities at TULE. [Oh, I forgot about the new Blimp Hangar at TULE]
To put it in perspective we are still using test stands and support equipment that was purchased for the B707-B727 DC-10. AA was willing to purchase modern generation aircraft but not the test equipment and support equipment to go with them.This fact alone has made our productivity not be able to increase at the rate it should have to retain a large competitive edge over MRO's.