Negotiations........why?

[WeAAsles]

Just checking in to see if. Oh nevermind. Same old, same old.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Just checking in to see if. Oh nevermind. Same old, same old.

I am sure if you left you would not be missed.
 
I for one would not even notice.

 

[Realityck]

 
The outsourcing at NWA started under the IAMs watch - long before the AMFA was on the property.

 
 
Certainly aware of NWA’s preparations and game plan AMFA walked right into it knowing they were being set up. What a strategy! 

 

[DallasConehead]

Ok, I understand now. You think that I meant that the Fleet Service members were at fault, while the the truth is it is the TWU and it's type of unionism Just so you understand, I have tried to replace the TWU for the mechanics for the 26 years of my 31 years of service. I fully admit that I may have been in error to a place the Fleet Service members where they were not. I am very pleased that you are happy with your union and 4th place would cause me to question the union. 4th Place is something I am not familiar with. Growing up is something I wish many of my fellow mechanics would try, growing away from their own fear. I will endeavor to be more clear and do more research in the future when speaking about the membership of Fleet Service. 

BTW... ever wonder.. why do they get called fleet service?  I mean, do they "service" the fleet? I thought mechanics did that.... No.... They are baggage handlers... I always thought they should be titled as such.
 
Ok, continue with your regular discussion.

 

[scorpion 2]

That would be AMFA:
 
http://www.aviationpros.com/news/10400288/duluth-angry-as-nwa-walks-away-from-46m-maintenance-base

Thanks for the article. It puts prospective on where the future of maintenance is going for the new AA regardless of union representation. I can see why the twu is scared to get to the table now. The curtain is getting ready to be pulled back to expose the little union behind the cloth. Maybe thats why they agreed to defer the first 2 years to the other guy! Scared sh!tless to face Northwest management.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

BTW... ever wonder.. why do they get called fleet service?  I mean, do they "service" the fleet? I thought mechanics did that.... No.... They are baggage handlers... I always thought they should be titled as such.
 
Ok, continue with your regular discussion.

Isn't it obvious? Your answer is in your own question. They chose an unspecific name in case they wanted to "adjust" job responsibilities later.

 

[Buck]

Buck let me let you in on a little secret. You have fallen for a con.
 
You have been duped into believing that a UNIONS function is to empower the workforce to negotiate with the company for a "living wage". You think that replacing a UNION with another UNION is going to fix all of your problems.
 
Getting a new UNION may work for a short while but the core problem still remains. The problem is the membership has turned docile and they have been conditioned to tolerate the UNIONs failings. That is exactly the way the UNIONs like it. The only way you will ever get what you seek is by slamming your fist down and demanding. The problem with the membership is they have learned to complain but they have forgotten how to get pissed off. Until the membership gets pissed off and decides not to let a parasite define their destiny for his benefit but, shape their own future instead, you will always have this same situation.
 
I think people have forgotten that UNIONS were formed by pissed off people, not complainers that went back to work when the buzzer went off.
 
How has allowing a UNION to negotiate YOUR worth worked out for YOU?
 
A UNION that has no fear of its membership ceases to be a UNION. The second the TWU leadership informed the membership "THEY" own the contract that is when the membership should have dumped their ass. 
 
The high ups in the UNION are not your friends, they are not your coworkers...... they are businessmen and, they have been taking the membership to the cleaners for years.
 
 
 
Buck I was not happy with the TWU. I am not fourth anything. I got fed up enough to leave and my life has improved vastly. I got tired of a disrespectful management culture, working odd hours, seniority "privilege", losing money every year, having my benefits eroded every contract cycle, being exposed to nonstop UNION propaganda...... the list goes on and on. I know not everyone is in a position to leave AA but if you can I recommend it. If AA wants to pay bottom dollar let them have bottom dollar employees. 

I agree and I guess you do not realize that I am not a fan of the TWU. I have advocated an independent representative for a very long time. AMFA for now ( or a independent rep like the Pilots ) is the only choice that allows the membership to attend negotiations. As for not have a union, I think that there are those in the company that would take advantage of employees base on personal feelings developed between themselves. Negotiations that are open to the membership, that is the key.

 

[scorpion 2]

 
 
Certainly aware of NWA’s preparations and game plan AMFA walked right into it knowing they were being set up. What a strategy! 

I'm sure their strategy never pictured the cannibals from the island of twu, aim and ibt raiding the place. You can't overlook the fact that Northwest couldn't have pulled it off if laid off and out of work twu,iam and ibt scabs hadn't shown up en mass to help them pull it off. No one plans for cannibalization but in the industrial union world we have learned the hard way to expect it.  

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I agree and I guess you do not realize that I am not a fan of the TWU. I have advocated an independent representative for a very long time. AMFA for now ( or a independent rep like the Pilots ) is the only choice that allows the membership to attend negotiations. As for not have a union, I think that there are those in the company that would take advantage of employees base on personal feelings developed between themselves. Negotiations that are open to the membership, that is the key.

I understand that you are not a fan of the TWU. What I am saying is that switching to AMFA won't cure the issues you are currently having with the TWU.  The problem is not with the TWU.... it never was. The problem is the current membership is in a passive daze and until they snap out of it you are going to have the same issues no matter what UNION waves its flag on AMR property.
 
You have a bunch of sharks in TWU making bank on TWU membership passiveness and expectation of failure. They have the perfect con of "money for nothing". The membership EXPECTS them to fail. How can they go wrong when they have people giving them millions of dollars that EXPECT them to fail. All they have to do is go through the motions, cut a few under the table deals with American Airlines, give a few canned responses (we'll get em next time) and collect a check.
 
You either demand what you think you are worth or you settle for what you are told you are worth, there is no C.
 
AMFA is not going to fix a passive membership that expects failure.
 
AMFA is not going to give a sense of self worth to people that have made a habit of settling.

 

[Buck]

I understand that you are not a fan of the TWU. What I am saying is that switching to AMFA won't cure the issues you are currently having with the TWU.  The problem is not with the TWU.... it never was. The problem is the current membership is in a passive daze and until they snap out of it you are going to have the same issues no matter what UNION waves its flag on AMR property.
 
You have a bunch of sharks in TWU making bank on TWU membership passiveness and expectation of failure. They have the perfect con of "money for nothing". The membership EXPECTS them to fail. How can they go wrong when they have people giving them millions of dollars that EXPECT them to fail. All they have to do is go through the motions, cut a few under the table deals with American Airlines, give a few canned responses (we'll get em next time) and collect a check.
 
You either demand what you think you are worth or you settle for what you are told you are worth, there is no C.
 
AMFA is not going to fix a passive membership that expects failure.
 
AMFA is not going to give a sense of self worth to people that have made a habit of settling.

I work in Tulsa

 

[Vortilon]

I understand that you are not a fan of the TWU. What I am saying is that switching to AMFA won't cure the issues you are currently having with the TWU.  The problem is not with the TWU.... it never was. The problem is the current membership is in a passive daze and until they snap out of it you are going to have the same issues no matter what UNION waves its flag on AMR property.
 
You have a bunch of sharks in TWU making bank on TWU membership passiveness and expectation of failure. They have the perfect con of "money for nothing". The membership EXPECTS them to fail. How can they go wrong when they have people giving them millions of dollars that EXPECT them to fail. All they have to do is go through the motions, cut a few under the table deals with American Airlines, give a few canned responses (we'll get em next time) and collect a check.
 
You either demand what you think you are worth or you settle for what you are told you are worth, there is no C.
 
AMFA is not going to fix a passive membership that expects failure.
 
AMFA is not going to give a sense of self worth to people that have made a habit of settling.

Gotta disagree,  with the TWU in place there is a sense that things will never change.  Years and years of being under-represented by the TWU has developed a lot of apathy in the membership.  AMFA would be a catalyst for renewed interest in the negotiating process.  AMFA allows observers in negotiations, that is huge.  I wouldn't be embarrassed to wear an AMFA shirt or pin like I am with the TWU.  No AA AMT can honestly say that the TWU has done a good job for AAs AMTs over the years.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I work in Tulsa

So did I.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Gotta disagree,  with the TWU in place there is a sense that things will never change.  Years and years of being under-represented by the TWU has developed a lot of apathy in the membership.  AMFA would be a catalyst for renewed interest in the negotiating process.  AMFA allows observers in negotiations, that is huge.  I wouldn't be embarrassed to wear an AMFA shirt or pin like I am with the TWU.  No AA AMT can honestly say that the TWU has done a good job for AAs AMTs over the years.

You have a right to your opinion of course.
 
However, when the membership (the mechanics) had an opportunity to get rid of the TWU........ they chose not to.
 
They "settled" for an association.

 

[1AA]

With the TWU there is no settle with. They forced it upon us with lies and intimidation. Now that the association is in place there is no hurry to settle for anything. The association got what they wanted. We got the BOHICA. Plain and simple without sugar coating it.

 

[AANOTOK]

BTW... ever wonder.. why do they get called fleet service?  I mean, do they "service" the fleet? I thought mechanics did that.... No.... They are baggage handlers... I always thought they should be titled as such.
 
Ok, continue with your regular discussion.

Do just a touch more than "handle bags".