Negotiations........why?

[1AA]

Maybe if we stall past the first two years we can get the twu back in charge of the negotiations. This is highly possible. Funny thing is if it goes two years IAM in charge, then TWU, then back to IAM how much progress do you think will be made?

 

[Buck]

Always willing to take less aren't you?

 
That is what is wrong with Social Unionism when you are trying to bring one group up to their peers standards. You watch, even if the mechanics attain a comparable compensation package with their peers, the other work groups will still be riding at the top of theirs as they always have.There are those who operate in this Association that may not be ok with taking less, but to have the mechanics gain any percentage more than the other work groups will not happen.

 

[Flying low]

Guess on a JCBA? Lot's of factors. If the belief is this is a full blown contract negotiations and that's the way it's approached by the committee we could be in for a long wait. The current AA/TWU CBA is not amendable until 9/12/2018 so if the committee treats this as a "I want all my stuff back plus" type negotiations then AA can stall until 2018. I am not sure if the NMB can be called in during JCBA process. The IAM heads up the Association first so let's see what approach is taken.

When does the current IAM contract expire?

 

[Buck]

When does the current IAM contract expire?

ARTICLE 23.
2 DURATION
3
4 Except as otherwise noted, this Agreement shall become effective
5 on July 18, 2014, and shall remain in full force and effect through July 18,
6 2017, and thereafter, until reopened in accordance with the Railway Labor
7 Act, or unless extended in accordance with Article 18 as outlined below.

 

[scorpion 2]

Guess on a JCBA? Lot's of factors. If the belief is this is a full blown contract negotiations and that's the way it's approached by the committee we could be in for a long wait. The current AA/TWU CBA is not amendable until 9/12/2018 so if the committee treats this as a "I want all my stuff back plus" type negotiations then AA can stall until 2018. I am not sure if the NMB can be called in during JCBA process. The IAM heads up the Association first so let's see what approach is taken.

Stall until 2018? Thats pretty optimistic considering the stall tactic would actually begin on that date and go for years thereafter.  How can you attach any kind of time frame to the weak and non aggressive twu international? It's sad and embarrassing but the twu would be considered the weak link in this so called negotiating team and like they say "you are only as strong as the weakest link". So ya go ahead and start making excuses and blame negotiation failures on too high of demands by a few individuals.

 

[Buck]

The TWU and possible the IAM and for sure the Association is guilty of robbing the membership of 4% and whatever Delta +7% is. They could have expedited their egos and that part would be in our pockets.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Stall stall stall.........the company is making billions and we stall?      
 

 

[1AA]

The TWU and possible the IAM and for sure the Association is guilty of robbing the membership of 4% and whatever Delta +7% is. They could have expedited their egos and that part would be in our pockets.

and the 14% equity as well as the pre funding match.

 

[Buck]

and the 14% equity as well as the pre funding match.

I am not counting those as, while you may receive an award of your own money, you will see little or nothing. Sorry Brother I need a new Mercedes, I mean lawyers fees burned that up....

 

[Overspeed]

Always willing to take less aren't you?

Nope. Just we don't have the any leverage as far as self help. Can't go to NMB and asked to be released until you get past the amendable date. Think brother think.

 

[Overspeed]

Stall stall stall.........the company is making billions and we stall?

We? The company will stall not us. The advantage is with the company. Current CBA expires years from now. They have zero incentive to give us all our stuff back. They will give a raise but not without something else in return.

 

[MetalMover]

We? The company will stall not us. The advantage is with the company. Current CBA expires years from now. They have zero incentive to give us all our stuff back. They will give a raise but not without something else in return.

I beg to differ on this one. I think the company wants ALL agreements in place as soon as possible. Once the TWU have contracts in place, they can go ahead and make the adjustments that they are planning regarding all the LAA/LUS stations. If headcounts need to be adjusted, then it would be easier if seniority lists are in place. As far as maintenance, they will be able to fine tune the maintenance programs and tailor which stations will do what work. With the contracts in place, once the maintenance programs of both LAA and LUS become one, this would help facilitate the movement. 
 
Now, having said this, I do not believe for one minute, we are going to get a contact offer that we are all going to be happy with. 

 

[scorpion 2]

We? The company will stall not us. The advantage is with the company. Current CBA expires years from now. They have zero incentive to give us all our stuff back. They will give a raise but not without something else in return.

So why did the iam settle for crap under the guise that they would go for a better deal under joint talks? No one from the pro company union side (iam/twu) has ever mentioned the issue of no bargaining power outside of section 6 until that post! Now that we are at the point of starting these discussions with the company you bring it up. Why now and not while the iam was getting their members to kick the can down the road to joint talks?  Promising their members a better deal when the two unions had joint talks.   Now we have their pay bringing the overall average down when sept rolls around.  Or will the international postpone that raise for us when supposed talks drag on past that date. What does give a raise with something in return mean. Has our sweat equity turned into a barter system where we gain nothing and just trade assets? That makes it impossible to keep up with inflation from where i'm standing.

 

[Overspeed]

MetalMover,
I agree with you that the company wants to have a JCBA in place. The ability to merge work forces was most likely one of the ways they would lower costs through being able to have all US and AA AMTs work on any aircraft in the new AA. The problem is as you say, how many compromises will the company ask us for to get that JCBA with DL+7? It sounded like Isom in one of the town halls alluded to altering scope to give more latitude to outsource work like DL. There is still a substantial amount of airframe and engine overhaul in-house. I am interested to see the company's initial proposal. Could be ugly for overhaul. I suspect merging and downsizing of overhaul capacity will be one of the proposals. I heard from PIT mechanics that they felt US before the merger had plans to move the base work to CLT. Put that with maybe more airframe work in TUL being outsourced and it could be a fight that delays any new JCBA for a while.
 
Scorpion2,
I don't know why the lack of leverage was not brought up. Look at early openers in the last CBA. Did we have the ability to ask for release prior to the amendable date? No, but we had the ability to talk and change the existing CBA. And we all know where we ended up eventually. The IAM is right, there pay position will most likely improve relative to where they were not too long ago. The problem is on the TWU side of the house. We have more overhaul work in-house than US and Isom/Seymour/Parker want more ability to outsource than they have now. What that means or what they exactly want I don't know. Need to get to the table and talk.

 

[1AA]

The company wants a JCBA so they can get more cost savings from us AKA.. CONCESSIONS!
The Association wants a deal fast so they can sucker us in the IAMPF before it starts to run low on funds.
Union membership in this country has been on the decline with both republicans and democrats running the show.
The IAMPF is running out of revenue sources fast. I say drag it out but demand our 4% now since we have single representation.
If anyone on the AA side wants to get in on the pyramid scam IAMPF then it should be an individual choice and not a collective bargaining choice.
We chose our medical plans based on our personal needs. There is no one catch all plan. The same should be for the 401K match or the IAMPF.
The union should be focusing on increasing the company match instead of entertaining the thought of getting us in the IAMPF.