New AA Union Drive

[DallasConehead]

If it is a "small thing" OK. But you still have not answered the question regarding your anti-China anti-Sweatshop stand in your personal life. How much made in China is in your house? Do you buy at Walmart? Or is it just an issue with you when discussing AMP t-shirts? I am not gioing to blindly follow your pro-American lead until you explain how far you actually take this agenda of yours. I suspect you dont practice your preaching when away from this forum.

Wouldn't you have a much bigger impact recruiting your own supporters and picketing a few Walmarts on a daily basis while distributing information about labor issues? I mean it just seems you picked a speck of fly crap out of two tons of pepper to express your concern.

That’s right informer, it is a small thing. As such I don’t understand why you are so defensive about it. You have no right to criticize me over my concern that the Labor Organization of my choosing should be a supporter of American Labor. And as being such should buy apparel for their people with the Made In USA tag.

Now, my personal life REALLY is none of your business, but as an example, I recently purchased a rifle scope, the brand I purchased is a Leupold, why? Because it is Made in the USA, has a lifetime warranty and is high quality. The Nikon has the same quality’s but sadly is not made here. I recently purchased some saute pans, the wife and I shopped and shopped, believe or not we found a brand at Walmart that guess what? Had the Made in USA label. I was going to purchase them but found the same pans at Costco (Union Shop btw) for half the price so I spent my money there. So, if there is a choice, very rarely do I choose off shored products.

I did not support the AMFA for just exactly this reason, to me, if the organization cannot pay attention to the “little things” they for sure can’t pay attention to the larger things, additionally I would prefer that my labor organization support the “Made in USA” label. Now, had the AMFA used Made In USA products, I may have signed a card. Do you think my sentiment is singular? I think not, you could have used all the cards you could get for your drive, but you never got one from me and probably not some of the other people that saw the Made In Taiwan tag.

So my final point is if you really want this thing called AMP to be successful, you have to pay attention to the details, the “little things”, and a detail like using Made In USA apparel will get more cards and more votes, I am positive of this, because mine will be one of them.

Rhetorical comment removed so as to aid in putting this one to bed.

 

[aapitbull]

AMP - touted as a more democratic organization correct? Correct. I make input as to what OUR course should be with regards to buying American apparel, part of the democratic process right? Right.. If its so democratic and I’m putting in my input, why is it being met with criticism?

Perhaps someone already made a decision about it and doesn't like my inquiring? Hmmm, where have we seen that before?

Additionally, in my mind, some that are fence sitters might move in the AMP direction if sold USA shirts and hats and someone might go the other way if sold imported shirts and hats. Just a thought.

If a small thing like this can cause someone to get defensive, well, what will happen when a big thing comes up? If you want to blindly follow, its your right, but for me I also have a right to inquire and not be met with criticism by those on the steering committee.

Defensive comes from being chided by someone setting on the sideline thinking you can google something and the problem is solved, when you find yourself trying to unseat a multimillion dollar union being back by a multibillion dollar corp to say nothing of their political friends and you are doing it out of your own pocket and the one doing the talking is saying just go ahead and spend more of your money to help me. well you get the picture. the order for the shirts will be 3000.00 dollars if you have a card you want to put on let me know

 

[odie01]

Conehead better save his receipts, 90% of the stuff he owns was made in China, including the computer he is using. I bet even the pen he used to check yes on the TA was made in China.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Conehead made a point. I respect that. But it does seem as if the thread is veering slightly off course. The thread is New Union Drive at AA. I would wear a t-shirt made in Haiti and printed in the US because the main issue is removing a undemocratic, unaccountable union from ruining my craft and profession.

The organizers who formed the basis for AMP have done so out of their own pockets. As another poster likes to point out AMP isn't even certified at AA and hence has no funds. But AMP is growing and funds are coming in. Maybe Conehead might wish to donate his AIP check to assist the cause?

GO AMP!

 

[Ralph]

If there's nothing left to discuss other than where the t-shirts are made, we can close this thread. A word to the wise?

 

[aapitbull]

If there's nothing left to discuss other than where the t-shirts are made, we can close this thread. A word to the wise?

We have sample shirts coming tomorrow from the American Made vendor and so their are no further misunderstandings we have been searching for just such a vendor, with little luck we will have found them. We bought 100 shirts from what we believe to be a American owned company the shirts were produced in Honduras for the record. We bought the shirts because when you start a drive you must put out the shirts to be seen ASAP

If this suppliers shirts are of good quality as they are rumored to be we will buy from them exclusively in the future, I hope this will satisfy all concerned.

Now please feel free to go back to the topic at hand how to get rid of the TWU.

Thanks Pitbull

 

[MCI transplant]

<_< ------ Just go'es to show what sad shape this country is in. If you can't find a simple product like a t-shirt that's made in this country! :angry: -----Damn Politicians!!!!

 

[Boomer]

We are now at the point of the absurd.

The TWU is AFL-CIO affiliated: Union Made.

How has the TWU, AFL-CIO, affiliation benefitted the average TWU Union Member?

How has the TWU, AFL-CIO, affiliation prevented AMR from distributing some $300,000,000.00 in bonuses?

After three years of negotiations, and a TWU Objective of restore and more, is the contract we are being asked to vote on the best that can be done?

What is the change in TWU International Officers’ pay over the period from 2001-2010?

Do TWU International Officers, at AA, that are below the age of 50 get retiree medical benefits from the TWU International?

Do the TWU International Officers, at AA, get the standard AA retirement program or do they also get an exclusive TWU Retiree Pension; and what are those terms?

Some of you want to argue about T-Shirts, and which minority, inside or outside the US, produces them; as if they were legitimate Unions jobs that actually paid a middle-class wage.

When did anyone care about the machinists that made the parts for your GD aircraft and under what condiions they were working?

T-Shirts? Is that the best you can F’ing do?

 

[MikeCobbAFW]

We are now at the point of the absurd.

The TWU is AFL-CIO affiliated: Union Made.

How has the TWU, AFL-CIO, affiliation benefitted the average TWU Union Member?

How has the TWU, AFL-CIO, affiliation prevented AMR from distributing some $300,000,000.00 in bonuses?

After three years of negotiations, and a TWU Objective of restore and more, is the contract we are being asked to vote on the best that can be done?

What is the change in TWU International Officers’ pay over the period from 2001-2010?

Do TWU International Officers, at AA, that are below the age of 50 get retiree medical benefits from the TWU International?

Do the TWU International Officers, at AA, get the standard AA retirement program or do they also get an exclusive TWU Retiree Pension; and what are those terms?

Some of you want to argue about T-Shirts, and which minority, inside or outside the US, produces them; as if they were legitimate Unions jobs that actually paid a middle-class wage.

When did anyone care about the machinists that made the parts for your GD aircraft and under what condiions they were working?

T-Shirts? Is that the best you can F’ing do?

Our membership needs to know the answers to these questions. This, to me, is one of the most important reasons to consider a new Union.

 

[MCI transplant]

:unsure: ------- The man's right you know! You'all have more to worry about than T-Shirts!!!!

 

[FrequentFlierCA]

By that logic the APFA and APA should also be replaced for their "failure to prevent" AA's management from taking its contractual paycheck.

By that measure, every union in America should just call it a day and close up shop. I'm sure the American public will be shocked - SHOCKED - by the headline "Executives make more than line workers".

 

[Interested]

Walking around the base yesterday, I spotted 1 AMP flier that the TWU didn't take down. But then it was behind a piece of plexi-glass and would require work to get to it.

 

[proAMT]

Walking around the base yesterday, I spotted 1 AMP flier that the TWU didn't take down. But then it was behind a piece of plexi-glass and would require work to get to it.

The more things change the more they stay the same. The TWU screws over the membership and then fears any repercussions that may occur.

My suggestion:

Earn the memberships respect and loyalty.


A good reputation would alleviate all fears of replacement.

A union that feels the need to tear down flyers fears accountability at the hands of the membership.

 

[Birdman]

Rumor has it that his royal appointed highness Little will be in Tulsa later this week to rally his loyal minions. The t/a has suddenly become a non issue.

 

[The Goose]

Rumor has it that his royal appointed highness Little will be in Tulsa later this week to rally his loyal minions. The t/a has suddenly become a non issue.

I hadn't heard of his majesty gracing us with his presence - one more thing I won't be attending. Thanks for the warning.

... that is, unless we can have a public hanging and lunch is provided ...