New International Route

[FA Mikey]

This is Captain Ralph Hunter, APA President, with the APA Information Hotline for Tuesday, July 12.

CHICAGO-NEW DELHI: I am pleased to announce that APA and American Airlines management have reached an agreement that will enable our airline to begin non-stop flights between Chicago O’Hare International Airport and Indira Gandhi International Airport in New Delhi, India.

www.alliedpilots.org for the rest

[post="281392"][/post]​

Great news for all of us and great news for IOR

 

[kirkpatrick]

Delta uses the excuse that it is an ethnic market and requires nationals as part of the crew.

[post="281381"][/post]​

TWA flew Bombay for years without foreign nationals. With English virtually universal in India and the large number of ethnic Indians living in this country, I see no reason why foreign FA's would be necessary. Besides, the contract specifically limits how many FN's the company can have.

MK

 

[s80dude]

TWA flew Bombay for years without foreign nationals.  With English virtually universal in India and the large number of ethnic Indians living in this country, I see no reason why foreign FA's would be necessary.  Besides, the contract specifically limits how many FN's the company can have.

MK

[post="281420"][/post]​

I can only hope this will be the case. . I know there are restrictions on the FN agreement regarding Latin America - MIA flying, but I would hate to see another side letter pop up with expanded language.

Mark you might look groovy in the orange apron, but we would prefer you in good old nAAvy blue. Let's keep the flying in house and call some people back

BTW, does anyone know if this new route is going to result in new aircraft coming into the fleet (a last minute deal with Boeing perhaps) or is a 777 exiting a current market?

 

[AAStew]

I just read the letter of agreement between APA and AA. Since I am not familiar with their previous contract, does the time mentioned mean that APA gave them a concession to flying a couple of more hours without an addtional pilot? Therefore leaving it at three? Someone please explain?

 

[AAStew]

Here is the announcement on AAFLTSVC.

AA Anounces Entry into
New Dehli, India


American Airlines announced today it will begin daily nonstop service between Chicago O'Hare International Airport and Delhi, India, on Nov. 15, 2005, subject to government approval. Delhi is India's capital and third-largest city. The route is nearly 7,500 miles and will be the longest nonstop route in American's growing international network. The airline will fly the route with its 236-seat Boeing 777-200 aircraft.




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[FWAAA]

Here's the press release:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050712/datu021.html?.v=18

This is fantastic news!

And even the FAs will get nearly 24 hours on the ground, maybe even behind the door.

 

[MAH4546]

TWA flew Bombay for years without foreign nationals. With English virtually universal in India and the large number of ethnic Indians living in this country, I see no reason why foreign FA's would be necessary. Besides, the contract specifically limits how many FN's the company can have.

MK

[post="281420"][/post]​

While it is true that English is virtually universally spoken throughout all of India (in fact, in India, all university classes are taught in English, and most high schools run an English ciriculum) within the middle and upper class, it doesn't change the fact that, out of common courtesy, AA should have at least one Hindi speaker on the flight. I can't believe that not one of AA's thousands of FA's doesn't speak Hindi. Hell, I speak Hindi...I'll quit my day job and just operate six-day rotations to Delhi. Fun times.

 

[L1011Ret]

TWA flew to Bombay for years without foreign nationals. I flew it a lot and we always had F/As from CDG and FCO, french and Italian F/As. Furher along we used chinese nationals based in HKG.

 

[kirkpatrick]

BTW, does anyone know if this new route is going to result in new aircraft coming into the fleet (a last minute deal with Boeing perhaps) or is a 777 exiting a current market?

[post="281422"][/post]​

Doesn't the company have two new 777's coming in in 2006 which could not be deferred? With this, plus the NGO, KIX, and PVG service it can't help but put pressure on the company to eventually order new aircraft.

Does anyone know the lead time if the company decides it needs additional airplanes?

MK

 

[WorldTraveler]

I am quite sure that Delta's India flight attendants are originally Pan Am employees - or the base was established by Pan Am. DL also had Eastern Euroepan based flight attendants which I believe were laid off w/ the closing of DL's FRA hub.

What other foreign-based flight attendants does AA employ? Are there not some flying Latin American routes?

also, UA used to fly ORD-DEL w/ a 744 so there are published times for that routing if someone can find the right old UA timetable.

 

[TWAnr]

also, UA used to fly ORD-DEL w/ a 744 so there are published times for that routing if someone can find the right old UA timetable.

[post="281445"][/post]​

From the AA press release:

Following is the tentative schedule for American's new service between Chicago and Delhi, pending final arrival/departure slot assignments:


Chicago O'Hare to Delhi
Flight Departs Arrives
AA 292 9:10 p.m. (local time) 11:05 p.m. (local time + 1 day)

Delhi to Chicago O'Hare
Flight Departs Arrives
AA 293 1:30 a.m. (local time) 5:55 a.m. (local time)

 

[eolesen]

You also have to remember that DL's route is not non-stop. They're stopping over in CDG, which requires a crew change.

I don't know if DL is using FN's or not, but because of their routing, they had a choice of making a really long sequence for the US based crews, hiring Paris based crews, or hiring Mumbai/Chennai based crews.

Obviously, the Indian crew base would be better from a language/service standpoint, not threaten to go out on strike three times a year, and overall be lower cost.

 

[Royal Ambassador]

I can't believe that not one of AA's thousands of FA's doesn't speak Hindi. Hell, I speak Hindi...I'll quit my day job and just operate six-day rotations to Delhi. Fun times.

[post="281432"][/post]​

Therer are plenty Hindi speaking former TW flight attendants on furlough.

 

[L1011Ret]

I am wondering what kind of A/C they are going to use and what the flight hours will be. JFK to TLV used to be 10:45 Eastbound and 11:45 Westbound giving a bit less than 23 hours for the trip. ORD to DEL is a lot further than JFK - TLV so I'm wondering if the standard 777 could do the trip? Flying time 16 hours Eastbound and 17 hours Westbound, my guess? Airplane lays over a couple of hours in DEL so looks like the crew gets a 26 hour layover. So crews get 30+ hours for a 4 day trip?

 

[FWAAA]

I am wondering what kind of A/C they are going to use and what the flight hours will be. JFK to TLV used to be 10:45 Eastbound and 11:45 Westbound giving a bit less than 23 hours for the trip. ORD to DEL is a lot further than JFK - TLV so I'm wondering if the standard 777 could do the trip?

[post="281474"][/post]​

The press release says that AA will fly a 777-223, just like all AA's 777s.