New Palin BK info

[tech2101]

I've seen the video, does it mean she's guilty of treason?

I do not know. I am not a judge or jury.

The thread is about Palin family values. As recently as this year, she addressed the secessionist movement of Alaska.

Now she has been found to have abused her power as Governor of Alaska. Senator McCain should be applauding these findings. After all they were issued by a bipartisan panel. Hasn't he been saying that this is the way to get things done? Ten Republicans and four Democrats sounds bipartisan to me.

 

[North by Northwest]

I've seen the video, does it mean she's guilty of treason?

Based on the part of the law that you clearly hve difficulty in grasping "breach of allegiance" which her ANTI STATE, secessionist AIP is ferverently for.

Now if you want to argue semantics take it up with the Supreme Court, your silly dancing has become boring.

Won't help her and McCain's new desperate "Klan like rallys" last ditch effort with their "he's not like us", "Terrorist" "KILL Him!", "That ONE". I guess when politically desperate always resort to America's nasty racist current that is always just below the surface. I could careless about Jdavis and his Treasonists despicable actions. ALL Southerns that supported the South were TRAITORS to the United States of America in my book. (and their complete disregard for the sanctity of Human life)

She will be able to go back and face the pending charges she will be dealing with, and rejoin her misfits in trying to secede from the USA. She might try being a decent mother while she's at it.

What a disgusting display of selfish egoism Try ANYTHING to win, regardless of whether it tears the country a part.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postparti...ce_with_th.html

 

[North by Northwest]

Current definition of Treason in the United States:

The following summary was written by the Congressional Research Service, a well-respected nonpartisan arm of the Library of Congress. GovTrack did not write and has no control over these summaries.
10/23/2007--Passed House amended.
Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 - Amends the Homeland Security Act of 2002 to add a new section concerning the prevention of violent radicalization (an extremist belief system for facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change) and homegrown terrorism (violence by a group or individual within the United States to coerce the U.S. government, the civilian population, or a segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives).
Establishes within the legislative branch the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism to: (1) examine and report on facts and causes of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States; and (2) build upon, bring together, and avoid unnecessary duplication of related work done by other entities toward such goal. Requires: (1) interim reports and a final report from the Commission to the President and Congress on its findings and recommendations; (2) the public availability of such reports; and (3) Commission termination 30 days after its final report.
Directs the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish or designate a university-based Center of Excellence for the Study of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States to assist federal, state, local, and tribal homeland security officials, through training, education, and research, in preventing violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism in the United States. Requires the Secretary to: (1) conduct a survey of methodologies implemented by foreign nations to prevent violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism; and (2) report to Congress on lessons learned from survey results.
Prohibits Department of Homeland Security (DHS) efforts to prevent ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism from violating the constitutional and civil rights or civil liberties of U.S. citizens or lawful permanent residents. Directs the: (1) Secretary to ensure that activities and operations are in compliance with DHS's commitment to racial neutrality; and (2) DHS Civil Rights and Civil Liberties Officer to develop and implement an auditing system to ensure that compliance does not violate the constitutional and civil rights or civil liberties of any racial, ethnic, or religious group, and to include audit results in its annual report to Congress.

Text of H.R. 1955: Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007

http://www.constitution.org/cmt/jwh/jwh_treason_4.htm (read up on who and what is defined as Treason under US Law)

 

[777 fixer]

Here's a little fact that you cannot babble or cut and paste your way around NBN. In order for anyone to be guilty of treason you have to be charged and found guilty of it in a court of law. In other words NBN she cannot be guilty because you say so. Or not guilty because I say so. She's not guilty because that's the way our system works. Innocent until proven guilty, or did they no teach you that in school?

 

[North by Northwest]

Here's a little fact that you cannot babble or cut and paste your way around NBN. In order for anyone to be guilty of treason you have to be charged and found guilty of it in a court of law. In other words NBN she cannot be guilty because you say so. Or not guilty because I say so. She's not guilty because that's the way our system works. Innocent until proven guilty, or did they no teach you that in school?

If you can't handle an intelligent debate just say so. Babble uh? If you have an issue with "cut/paste" stop asking for info and look it up yourself.

I can view her in any way I like...THAT is an undeniable right in the USA. If you don't like that.. tough.

Now you have every right to attend her next "Klan Rally" and even vote for her...that is your right. Maybe you can remind her that she has family value issues at HOME that she should be focusing on rather than whipping up race rallys across the country.

When one supports radical extremist groups that seek to divide the United States they are guilty of Treason in my eyes. Just ask the nut job Founder of the AIP, the one that blew himself up with plastic explosives.

 

[777 fixer]

If you can't handle an intelligent debate just say so. Babble uh? If you have an issue with "cut/paste" stop asking for info and look it up yourself.

I can view her in any way I like...THAT is an undeniable right in the USA. If you don't like that.. tough.

Now you have every right to attend her next "Klan Rally" and even vote for her...that is your right. Maybe you can remind her that she has family value issues at HOME that she should be focusing on rather than whipping up race rallys across the country.

When one supports radical extremist groups that seek to divide the United States they are guilty of Treason in my eyes. Just ask the nut job Founder of the AIP, the one that blew himself up with plastic explosives.

Translation, you know I'm right so continue to dance and say things like "guilty of treason in my eyes". What you should do now is clarify for everyone that's she's guilty in your eye's and not actually guilty.

 

[North by Northwest]

Translation, you know I'm right so continue to dance and say things like "guilty of treason in my eyes". What you should do now is clarify for everyone that's she's guilty in your eye's and not actually guilty.

And what you should do is stop pretending you are an expert with the Judicial background to fully interpret Treason. Clearly difficult for you as you can't even stay on topic.

 

[777 fixer]

And what you should do is stop pretending you are an expert with the Judicial background to fully interpret Treason. Clearly difficult for you as you can't even stay on topic.

I'm not pretending to be an expert. I just happen know enough that she's not guilty of treason. You have yet to prove otherwise. In fact you admitted as much when you said she was "guilty in my eyes". Thank you for proving me right.

 

[North by Northwest]

I'm not pretending to be an expert. I just happen know enough that she's not guilty of treason. You have yet to prove otherwise. In fact you admitted as much when you said she was "guilty in my eyes". Thank you for proving me right.

Thank yourself for your delusional mindset. Learn Treason than come back and debate like an adult.

 

[777 fixer]

Thank yourself for your delusional mindset. Learn Treason than come back and debate like an adult.

I'm delusional because I say that someone is inncoent until proven guilty? I've said this before, usually when someone has nothing intelligent to say they resort to personal attacks.

Learn how the legal system in the US works before you say anything else.

 

[North by Northwest]

I'm delusional because I say that someone is inncoent until proven guilty? I've said this before, usually when someone has nothing intelligent to say they resort to personal attacks.

Learn how the legal system in the US works before you say anything else.

oh..so that's how you get your point across by ignoring stuff *like the LAW* than calling it cut and past. You choose to IGNORE the interpretation of the law regarding TREASON...Learn it then come chat.

You keep trying to ignore and DANCE around that little charge (like the THIRD of many) of TREASON regarding "BREACH OF allegiance ". Define that then come back. (we are keeping track of how many times you ignore it)

No...you are delusional because you refuse to admit that Palin made a video embracing and "God Blessing" those whose main purpose it to do harm to the United States via State rebellion...THAT'S called Breach of ALLEGIANCE in case you didn't get it.

 

[777 fixer]

oh..so that's how you get your point across by ignoring stuff *like the LAW* than calling it cut and past. You choose to IGNORE the interpretation of the law regarding TREASON...Learn it then come chat.

You keep trying to ignore and DANCE around that little charge (like the THIRD of many) of TREASON regarding "BREACH OF allegiance ". Define that then come back. (we are keeping track of how many times you ignore it)

No...you are delusional because you refuse to admit that Palin made a video embracing and "God Blessing" those whose main purpose it to do harm to the United States via State rebellion...THAT'S called Breach of ALLEGIANCE in case you didn't get it.

First of all who is "we" when you say "we are keeping track of how many times you ignore it". ? Since you are just one person it's rather odd to say "we".

NBN you still can't get past the fact that in order to be guilty of anything in this country you have to be charged and convicted. Being guilty in you"eyes" means squat. Case closed.

 

[North by Northwest]

First of all who is "we" when you say "we are keeping track of how many times you ignore it". ? Since you are just one person it's rather odd to say "we".

NBN you still can't get past the fact that in order to be guilty of anything in this country you have to be charged and convicted. Being guilty in you"eyes" means squat. Case closed.

All whom read these posts.

Let's see...this is HOW MANY now...In order to have an opinion of who is guilty of a charge, whether they are charged or not, one must fully understand the LAW in order to opin. That is where ability on this subject appears to let you down. You either don't understand the term or your delusional state refuses to admit it. Either or, many people in society are guilty of breaking laws of which they are never charged.

Case re-opened.

Let's try it this way:

You....define "Breach of Allegiance".

Then we define who, when, and how.

(I have all day...just catching some rays) I'm patient...

 

[777 fixer]

All whom read these posts.

Let's see...this is HOW MANY now...In order to have an opinion of who is guilty of a charge, whether they are charged or not, one must fully understand the LAW in order to opin. That is where ability on this subject appears to let you down. You either don't understand the term or your delusional state refuses to admit it. Either or, many people in society are guilty of breaking laws of which they are never charged.

Case re-opened.

Let's try it this way:

You....define "Breach of Allegiance".

Then we define who, when, and how.

(I have all day...just catching some rays) I'm patient...

Innocent until proven guilty I think is something that most of us here understand. It is obvious that you do not.

 

[North by Northwest]

Innocent until proven guilty I think is something that most of us here understand. It is obvious that you do not.

Our basic disagreement is cornered on your statement here:

"Also, where does it say in the US Constitution that it is illegal for a state to secede? Remember, these people are not preaching the violent overthrow of the US Government or spying for a foreign country."

If one has to present a question such as that, it identifies their position regarding the integrity of the United States as it stands today. Your defense of Palin and her AIP card carrying husbands is explained.

"The other view is no, the Constitution is not a pact among states; it is a contract among all people in the nation - it's an irreversible commitment," says Stephen Presser, a legal historian at Northwestern University in Evanston, Ill.

Questions of legality

Today, most experts say states have no legal right to secede.

"To exercise the right of secession requires a violation of national law," says Herman Belz, a professor of history at the University of Maryland."

If people like Palin and her husband and the AIP are that unhappy with the United States of America they are most welcome to renounce their American citizenship and MOVE. But they won't, because they like all the goodies that come with being American and what that provides.