NMB Ingores APFA

[Imjustsayin]

Doing some rough math...here goes. 16000 flight attendants x 45,000.00 avg salary=$720,000,000 a year in salary. A 6% raise would cost an additional $43 million a year. This is in relation to a company with a 22 billion annual revenue. This is less then 1% of their annual revenue.


One more thing, please look deeper into the productivity issue surrounding the flight attendants at American. I have explained in some of my posts that we are not nearly as unproductive as the company makes it appear to be. There are so many variables that come into play and the main one....staffing...is something that the APFA has no control over and is completely controlled by AA. The other issue concerning productivity is the companies claim that they are restricted in the amount of hours that a flight attendant can work in a month vs. the competition. Please look at some of my past posts and I have tried to shed some reality on this subject. Yes, we can probably be scheduled 2 hours more a month and then that would put us in line with just about everyone else. But don't look at theirs graphs and think for one second that Southwest flight attendants are scheduled to fly well over 100 hrs a month. It is just not true. I have been trying to pull up the negotiations page for the last 2 days and it seems to be down. Maybe they are in the process of updating their lies.

OK, thanks. I agree, how flight attendats are scheduled from airline to airline makes for a tough comparison. Wouldn't the 8000 pilots wan't at least the same 6%, and the 20,000 TWU? That would add, guessing, $150 million dollars more of cost. I saw American posted another loss this quarter. They aren't covering their current costs.

Anyway, thanks for your insight. I'm out.

 

[damajagua]

OK, thanks. I agree, how flight attendats are scheduled from airline to airline makes for a tough comparison. Wouldn't the 8000 pilots wan't at least the same 6%, and the 20,000 TWU? That would add, guessing, $150 million dollars more of cost. I saw American posted another loss this quarter. They aren't covering their current costs.

Anyway, thanks for your insight. I'm out.

They have enough to pay an incompetent CEO over 5 million a year.

 

[Imjustsayin]

They have enough to pay an incompetent CEO over 5 million a year.

I don't think he is incompetent. He and the employee's of American have managed to stave off bankruptcy and all of the bad stuff that goes along with bankruptcy.
I have friends that work at american. They are well paid, have good health care, good pensions and retiree health care. The CEO is underpaid.

 

[MCI transplant]

I don't think he is incompetent. He and the employee's of American have managed to stave off bankruptcy and all of the bad stuff that goes along with bankruptcy.
I have friends that work at american. They are well paid, have good health care, good pensions and retiree health care. The CEO is underpaid.

<_< ------- Your friends must be in management!

 

[Imjustsayin]

<_< ------- Your friends must be in management!

Ha. A couple of pilots and a couple flight attendants. And yes, some management pukes.

 

[AANOTOK]

I don't think he is incompetent. He and the employee's of American have managed to stave off bankruptcy and all of the bad stuff that goes along with bankruptcy.
I have friends that work at american. They are well paid, have good health care, good pensions and retiree health care. The CEO is underpaid.

Well then, you're definitely the one I'm gonna seek out to get my accurate info from. Nothing more reliable than he said, she said, I have a friend who........etc
You any kin to SRQWarrior? He has friends, Uncle, Aunts with all airlines that are full of info that is down right 100% accurate!

 

[Bear96]

Let me ask YOU a question? Do you think it is unreasonable for you to go to YOUR boss for a 3% raise from 2008 till 2010 and then another 3% for another 18 months? That is a total of 6% over a span of 3.5 years. That comes out to a little over 2% per year in pay? Would that make YOU greedy?

If the company is losing a lot of money, and if the employee in question is doing essentially the same job as s/he was 3.5 years ago (i.e., not doing anything more to add value to the company compared to 3.5 years ago), and if the employee is less productive than people in the same position at other companies, then yes that would be unreasonable.

 

[Imjustsayin]

Well then, you're definitely the one I'm gonna seek out to get my accurate info from. Nothing more reliable than he said, she said, I have a friend who........etc
You any kin to SRQWarrior? He has friends, Uncle, Aunts with all airlines that are full of info that is down right 100% accurate!

Hey, whoa there big fella. Your sarcasm is undewhelming.

I take it you are a disgruntled AA employee? Employed, good pay, good healthcare, good pension - uh, what part of that is not accurate? Hey, not trying to mud wrestle with you, it's just the employees I talk to all seem to like working at American. They say it's not the airline it used to be, but the airline industry will never be the way it used to be.

 

[Imjustsayin]

Hey, whoa there big fella. Your sarcasm is undewhelming.

I take it you are a disgruntled AA employee? Employed, good pay, good healthcare, good pension - uh, what part of that is not accurate? Hey, not trying to mud wrestle with you, it's just the employees I talk to all seem to like working at American. They say it's not the airline it used to be, but the airline industry will never be the way it used to be.

Thought so.

 

[AANOTOK]

Thought so.

No little fella, just not gonna "mud wrestle" as you suggested. Any questions, feel free to seek out your friends! 😀

 

[Imjustsayin]

No little fella, just not gonna "mud wrestle" as you suggested. Any questions, feel free to seek out your friends! 😀

Probably a good idea. This thread was about the NMB ignoring the APFA anyway. I'm out.

 

[Imjustsayin]

Still?

 

[FrequentFlierCA]

They have enough to pay an incompetent CEO over 5 million a year.

Nope, not even close. Aprey's cash compensation was $669,646 in 2009. He got other comp in stock awards, which are very, very different than cash pay.

 

[jersey777]

Nope, not even close. Aprey's cash compensation was $669,646 in 2009. He got other comp in stock awards, which are very, very different than cash pay.

Thanks for clearing that up. I feel much better!

 

[damajagua]

Nope, not even close. Aprey's cash compensation was $669,646 in 2009. He got other comp in stock awards, which are very, very different than cash pay.

I could care less wether his compensation is cash, stock awards or food stamps.
Arpey does not deserve it. Not with AMR financial results.