NMB Ingores APFA

[jersey777]

You can now add a USA Today Ad by APFA as another waste of the union's time and membership money.

I agree. A total waste, but like I said, there is tremendous pressure to make it look like the union is doing something. So now you have had all 3 unions on the property going public with their dissatisfaction. You know what would end all this foolishness? ...settled contracts! American Airlines wouldn't even agree to provide a 3% year raise for each of the next 2 years for the flight attendants..... 3% per year without adding expense money, vacation, sick time or anything else. Continental just agreed to a 2.5% a year raise to their flight attendants without opening the entire contract. Even with the 3% a year that the APFA offered it would have kept us behind Continentals raise. American Airlines did not even counter offer any solution so today you have this spectacle and you will continue to see strife until they deal with their employees. They can't ignore us forever.


One more point. Laura Gladings term ends next spring. It is very likely the next APFA president will be more radical.

 

[signals]

You can now add a USA Today Ad by APFA as another waste of the union's time and membership money.

Actually, it was the ad that caught my eye, and made me aware of the problem. I didn't think AMR had that issue :unsure:

 

[damajagua]

Any idea if anyone showed up to the apfa picketing event ?

 

[jersey777]

Any idea if anyone showed up to the apfa picketing event ?

I believe it was a poor showing and I am not surprised. I am one of the most dedicated and ardent unionist however I feel that todays picketing was wasted energy. While I give credit to those that showed up today to voice their frustration I believe that our real problem right now is the NMB and that we should be picketing their headquarters. They hold all the cards. Our management is really disgusting with their continued big F.U. to their own employees with these payouts. But in sad actuality AMR is not much different then most corporations in this country and I find it hard to believe that there hasn't been more outcry from average Americans.

 

[jersey777]

I agree. A total waste, but like I said, there is tremendous pressure to make it look like the union is doing something. So now you have had all 3 unions on the property going public with their dissatisfaction. You know what would end all this foolishness? ...settled contracts! American Airlines wouldn't even agree to provide a 3% year raise for each of the next 2 years for the flight attendants..... 3% per year without adding expense money, vacation, sick time or anything else. Continental just agreed to a 2.5% a year raise to their flight attendants without opening the entire contract. Even with the 3% a year that the APFA offered it would have kept us behind Continentals raise. American Airlines did not even counter offer any solution so today you have this spectacle and you will continue to see strife until they deal with their employees. They can't ignore us forever.


One more point. Laura Gladings term ends next spring. It is very likely the next APFA president will be more radical.

I take part of this post back. I am full support of the advertisement in the USAToday. It was money well spent not only because it shed light on what is going on at American Airlines but what is going on in this country. I think it is good that more people would become aware of the corporate greed by the executives of AMR and of most other corporations in this country.

 

[strikeforce]

I take part of this post back. I am full support of the advertisement in the USAToday. It was money well spent not only because it shed light on what is going on at American Airlines but what is going on in this country. I think it is good that more people would become aware of the corporate greed by the executives of AMR and of most other corporations in this country.

CHAOS!!!!!! only way!

 

[IORFA]

Does anyone have a picture of the USATODAY ad? If so, can you post it or PM me with it? Thanks.

 

[jersey777]

Does anyone have a picture of the USATODAY ad? If so, can you post it or PM me with it? Thanks.

sorry....i tried...go to Facebook at look at the APFA Facebook page and it is on there.

 

[jersey777]

I had to post this from the LGA Picketing Organizer from yesterday. So eloquently said!




In conclusion to a long but fulfilling day, I leave this message to our Executives & anyone that wants to tattle tale to management: Your employees are the voice of your brand. They represent your company each day as they interact with current and potential customers. Each time your employees interact with the public – on the airplane, in the terminal, or any workspace – they impact how people feel about your organization, your performance and your relationship.

 

[kirkpatrick]

a senior F/A with 20 yrs seniority living in New York and just flying the basic schedule will make maybe 55 K.

A 20 yr FA flying an 80 hr month makes 44976 on domestic and 48059 on international, not counting expenses.

MK

 

[kirkpatrick]

At time 4:43.
Just out of curiosity, what does the 5-year flight attendant living in the same city, flying the same schedule, make at JetBlue?

I don't have JB's pay scale handy, but a fifth year FA at AA (if there are any) makes 27355 for an 80 hr month on domestic, 29790 on international, not counting expenses.

Or, for that matter, what does the 20-year flight attendant living in the same city, flying the same schedule, make at one of the Delta Connection carriers? And do those employees have pensions? Or a union?

Why do you go to the bottom for your examples? Is that our goal? Your goal? Your comparisons should be with major airlines that have extensive domestic and international route structures.

MK

 

[eolesen]

What about the executive decision to add 12 more seats to the 737 thus requiring a 4th flight attendant? How did this affect flight attendant staffing costs? AND we are not talking about 47 airplanes. We are talking about 153 airplanes and counting. Personally I prefer the older version with less seats..both as a crew member and as a passenger. The planes are roomier. I find it interesting that Jetblue did just the opposite with their A320's. They took out 2 rows of seats to get the plane under 150 seats and now only staff them at 3 flight attendants.

Another great example of the thinking at headquarters.

All this talk about staffing and pay, yet not a peep from anyone about the lower guarantees at AA vs. other airlines like UA, CO, and DL?...

If AA could schedule everyone to the same duty rigs and guarantee as any of those three airlines, I suspect that AA's flight attendants would no longer be the most expensive. But it would be a less desirable job because you'd have to work a little more than you do today.

And believe it or not, there are people who pay for business class and first class. I'm one of them.

And it is by no means a coincidence that certain markets have F cabins while others have a J cabin. Take F off the airplanes, and you will lose some very lucrative contracts with the entertainment and banking industries, some of whom have employment (and even union) agreements requiring F class travel if offered in a given market over X hours (fact, not conjecture).

 

[jersey777]

All this talk about staffing and pay, yet not a peep from anyone about the lower guarantees at AA vs. other airlines like UA, CO, and DL?...

If AA could schedule everyone to the same duty rigs and guarantee as any of those three airlines, I suspect that AA's flight attendants would no longer be the most expensive. But it would be a less desirable job because you'd have to work a little more than you do today.

And believe it or not, there are people who pay for business class and first class. I'm one of them.

And it is by no means a coincidence that certain markets have F cabins while others have a J cabin. Take F off the airplanes, and you will lose some very lucrative contracts with the entertainment and banking industries, some of whom have employment (and even union) agreements requiring F class travel if offered in a given market over X hours (fact, not conjecture).

Because the lower guarantees are a fig fat distortion! First of all, look at the asterisk on AA's negotiation page concerning work hours. Although they trumpet the 77 and 82 hours as the scheduled max they are really 82 and 88 for pure lines. Also, what they don't show you are all the limitations at other carriers for their scheduled max. At Continental, they are only able to plot a very small percentage..something like 5 to 10% of lines...at 95 hours and they have to be pure lines. I am almost positive that is true at all other airlines. I can tell you my friends at United certainly don't fly 100 hours a month. In fact they are limited to 1200 hours a year which limits them to 95 hours or so a month on average. My point is that the company...in typical fashion...paints a picture that is just simply not true.

As far as working a little more then we do today...I have news for you. We can work as little or as much as we want to. You have a large percentage of people that fly well more then 100 hours and you have those that fly 30. The ones that fly 30 don't accumulate sick or vacation time and they have to pay a large share to their medical. Those that fly high time pick up those trips from other flight attendants. It is a wash to the company.

If there is anything else you would like me to educate you on then I would be happy to do so.

 

[PhatSappy]

FA - That's a pretty good part time job. Wow if you put in 160 hours a month like everyone else you would make over a hundred grand a year. No bad for a two week school. I may be bailing out of my gig so....
Sign me up!

 

[jersey777]

And believe it or not, there are people who pay for business class and first class. I'm one of them.

And it is by no means a coincidence that certain markets have F cabins while others have a J cabin. Take F off the airplanes, and you will lose some very lucrative contracts with the entertainment and banking industries, some of whom have employment (and even union) agreements requiring F class travel if offered in a given market over X hours (fact, not conjecture).

What does F class have to do with adding two more rows to coach on the 737? They didn't add seats to F..just coach. So those added 12 seats require a 4th flight attendant per the FAA. That was American Airlines decision. So now they can say we are more costly on a huge portion of their fleet based on their own decision! Remarkable!