Non-Rev Boarding priority poll

[PQAKnow-It-All]

Just received this link via email. The originator of the email lists their title as "passenger service manager" So I'm hoping this is somewhat 'official'

Go to this link and let your voice add to the numbers of your choice.

http://my.surveypopups.com/show/sh.aspx?x=...10-57b42a9d6f10

 

[kao]

Just received this link via email. The originator of the email lists their title as "passenger service manager" So I'm hoping this is somewhat 'official'

Go to this link and let your voice add to the numbers of your choice.

http://my.surveypopups.com/show/sh.aspx?x=...10-57b42a9d6f10

how can a vote be fair when we are outnumbered? I am not saying what I prefer but....from what I am really hearing...it is not a vote as it is being portrayed and miscommunicated across the system....yes, vote, but it is not a "vote"-they say they will decide by years end

 

[Seatacus]

how can a vote be fair when we are outnumbered?

Just be glad that you are not retired......because no one gives a hoot about what they think.

 

[UPNAWAY]

how can a vote be fair when we are outnumbered?

Does anyone hear read US Today or Plane Talk? They have said they are asking for votes but that votes alone will not decide the issue. But this Westie thinks this is one issue you Easties are going to win. It still could be a combo or hybred of East and West.

 

[EricLv2Fish]

I think DP recognizes how important the flight benefits are and so far has done a decent job straddling the fence by allowing both boarding priority systems continue on each coast. Time will come to crap or get off the pot. I don't see check-in time as it exists today to prevail...simply due to the numbers issue. It would be more likely DOH prevails than check-in time, but don't be surprised if it's a hybrid of the two that leans more on the DOH side.

 

[MarkMyWords]

I agree Eric....I think the issues of the number of time zones we now cross and the issue of "fairness" being a real challenge. When the bulk of AWA's employees were in the west, it didn't matter (as much) that you crossed 4 time zones. Most of the employees on the east were contract so it was nearly a non-issue. Now, with a mjor presence on the east and west, using time of check-in will giove someone an "unfair"advantage. Add to that the fact that we now have employees that span from Europe to Hawaii, even with the time of check-in window expnaded to 12 hours, someone is going to feel like they were treated unfairly. Of course the same can be said for West employees if they adopt the seniority rule. This is a definite lose-lose situation and hopefully, when the decision is made, everyone will not view it as a victory, but as a compromise that tried to be as fair as possible to the greatest number of employees.

No matter how you slice this issue, someone is going to feel like thehy were screwed. They just need ot make a decision and get it over with. It will be a bitter pill for some to swallow.

 

[USstew23]

I agree Eric....I think the issues of the number of time zones we now cross and the issue of "fairness" being a real challenge. When the bulk of AWA's employees were in the west, it didn't matter (as much) that you crossed 4 time zones. Most of the employees on the east were contract so it was nearly a non-issue. Now, with a mjor presence on the east and west, using time of check-in will giove someone an "unfair"advantage. Add to that the fact that we now have employees that span from Europe to Hawaii, even with the time of check-in window expnaded to 12 hours, someone is going to feel like they were treated unfairly. Of course the same can be said for West employees if they adopt the seniority rule. This is a definite lose-lose situation and hopefully, when the decision is made, everyone will not view it as a victory, but as a compromise that tried to be as fair as possible to the greatest number of employees.

No matter how you slice this issue, someone is going to feel like thehy were screwed. They just need ot make a decision and get it over with. It will be a bitter pill for some to swallow.

Well then how do you explain AA's system. I commute on them alot and I'm pretty sure they use first come first serve. Well at least for OAL employees anyway. Whatever happens I hope they go towards the HP rules for the FA jumpseat, we used to have it like that at East until the old goats wanted it changed.

 

[LGA / 037]

In my opinion , they will go with First come / First serve
to offset the seniority issue that will come with the bidding of positions/trips....ect

 

[LCC_#1]

I sent the following suggestion regarding this issue.

**12 hour window to list.

**Boarding done by DOH until 1 hour prior to departure. It then goes first come, first serve.

**There should be some way of noting if a person trying to get on a flight is in transit on a connection. If said employee is on connecting flight and check in time goes under 1 hour, their senority is honored. This prevents the employee from being penalyzed because of a cross country or for that part...ANY connection.

I really think this combination is fair.

The only employees really effected are commuters and sorry guys, THAT is a choice. Please don't give me the "US closed so many bases" line. The chance to move WAS there and most fell under old contracts where the move WAS or WOULD had been paid.

For the Westies, don't assume you will always be on the bottom of the list. Have you checked all the job opennings in PHX? All those folks will be junior to you with regards to time with the company. You may want to consider the above option or DOH when you decide to venture east and on to Europe/Caribbean when traveling out of PHX during your busy season...which these days seems to be always. 😉

 

[PQAKnow-It-All]

I am just adding in my thoughts on this conversation. This is not intended to start an argument. And I will admit up front, I am for check in time, and doubt my opinion could be swayed.

I think that it will stay check in time (aka first come/first served) because the committee who is reviewing this (I assume) is in Tempe. The majority of employees in Tempe are old HP. To institue a DOH boarding priority would require additional technology and expense. Do you think an LCC is going to spend anything on non-revs? I think this is the ONLY saving grace with hopes of keeping check in time boarding. We can plainly see that HP would never win a vote. Its just sheer numbers. The US crew is how many times the size of the HP crew? Don't see a majority of either airlines personel switching to the other side on this issue. There is no way a straight vote off would be fair.

Good luck to us all. We'll see which is the victor at the end of the year. (or, by HP scheduling, about this time next year, haha)

 

[PhxMama]

PQA, Last night several agents had received the email on voting on this issue. Due to the sheer numbers, as you noted, theres not really any point to the vote so why are they doing it? When the decision is made are they going to point to these results and say well thats what was voted on? It makes me think DOH is still very much on the table. JMO

 

[JMM]

PQA, Last night several agents had received the email on voting on this issue. Due to the sheer numbers, as you noted, theres not really any point to the vote so why are they doing it? When the decision is made are they going to point to these results and say well thats what was voted on? It makes me think DOH is still very much on the table. JMO

Well as a newbie with no seniority, I hope they keep first come/first serve. But, whatever happens, happens. If I had seniority, I know how I would vote.

 

[allegheny37]

Well as a newbie with no seniority, I hope they keep first come/first serve. But, whatever happens, happens. If I had seniority, I know how I would vote.

If you HAD seniority and retired you have no vote.
Bottom of the list. Thank you for all your years of service 'NOW GO AWAY' :down:

 

[PhxMama]

Well as a newbie with no seniority, I hope they keep first come/first serve. But, whatever happens, happens. If I had seniority, I know how I would vote.

The problem is the US Airways has been around a lot longer than HP. Many of the US east employees were hired before HP became a company. That is the issue. If it was a level playing field there would be no issue but its not. I know Doug does not believe in stapling one group to the other and although there are exceptions this is what would essentially be done. I think maybe they will try an integrated companywide seniority list based on DOH. Who knows? I will agree that this is a ME issue and we all want whats best for ourselves. As with everything else we will roll with whatever happens and move on. I hope they make this decision sooner than later so we can complain and than put it behind us. Id rather have Tempe figure out how to increase revenue so we can have the opportunity and privilege to get bumped!

 

[hp-csr-phx]

I like the option above, list 12 hours, then use DOH up until 1 hr before flight, once the standby list has been cleared--no bumping. When you actually had to drive to the airport to check in the 4 hour rule was ok, but now anyone can check in online. Also don't forget--everyone will get 2 vacation passes per year.