Well I have read the other thread about DOH/FCFS for nonrevs. Seems like most of that is about crews who may have trouble getting to work. Here is my issue. I have children who need to travel for visitation. And I know there are others like me at USAirways. With FCFS there would have been numerous times they would not have been boarded on flights. Even now with the change to them having to fly one step lower if I am not traveling with them. They will not get on some flights causing them to be stuck in the connecting city. This is of no concern to the company if it does create visitation problems. I sent my concern to the ROW 23 e-mail when the lower step was put in last fall when the rest of my family failed to be boarded on flights. As you can see family issues are not a concern of this or any past management. I can understand the folks at HP's concern. But senority should count for something since we have nothing left. 24 years here.
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Well I have read the other thread about DOH/FCFS for nonrevs. Seems like most of that is about crews who may have trouble getting to work. Here is my issue. I have children who need to travel for visitation. And I know there are others like me at USAirways. With FCFS there would have been numerous times they would not have been boarded on flights. Even now with the change to them having to fly one step lower if I am not traveling with them. They will not get on some flights causing them to be stuck in the connecting city. This is of no concern to the company if it does create visitation problems. I sent my concern to the ROW 23 e-mail when the lower step was put in last fall when the rest of my family failed to be boarded on flights. As you can see family issues are not a concern of this or any past management. I can understand the folks at HP's concern. But senority should count for something since we have nothing left. 24 years here.
What I don't get about the argument "for" DOH is why people seem to think that using DOH will guarantee them a seat. There is only one person that will have a 100% guarantee with using DOH, and that's the person with the highest seniority.
Even a 30 year employee could be bumped at the last minute by a 30-year, 2-week employee.
There is NO WAY to plan for such a situation. Even if the ETC were modified to show the seniority of employees listed, that can always change up until departure time.
With using FCFS, it's easier to plan. You can always see how many employees are listed. If the number of employees listed is higher than the number of seats left, you plan ahead and check in early. If you are the first employee checked in--you will ALWAYS be the first employee checked in for that flight.
Those that argue for DOH also continually argue that they shouldn't have to rush to the airport. Are you forgetting about online check in? It can be done 12 hours ahead of time.
Also, just because the company has put dependents traveling without the employee at a lower priority--that does NOT mean they don't care about the family. The management just recognizes that EMPLOYEES should be able to use their benefits first. As an employee, if I were traveling to visit my mom on Mother's Day, I would NOT be happy if I was bumped by another employee's wife, traveling alone to do some shipping in NYC.
Seniority does count for something: it counts for higher pay, more vacation time, and better schedules (for most jobs). Traveling is a benefit: senior employees don't get better rates on health insurance. And, as pointed out in a comment to Row23 Middle, a more senior person doesn't get to go to the front of the line at the company union.
Even a 30 year employee could be bumped at the last minute by a 30-year, 2-week employee.
There is NO WAY to plan for such a situation. Even if the ETC were modified to show the seniority of employees listed, that can always change up until departure time.
With using FCFS, it's easier to plan. You can always see how many employees are listed. If the number of employees listed is higher than the number of seats left, you plan ahead and check in early. If you are the first employee checked in--you will ALWAYS be the first employee checked in for that flight.
Those that argue for DOH also continually argue that they shouldn't have to rush to the airport. Are you forgetting about online check in? It can be done 12 hours ahead of time.
Also, just because the company has put dependents traveling without the employee at a lower priority--that does NOT mean they don't care about the family. The management just recognizes that EMPLOYEES should be able to use their benefits first. As an employee, if I were traveling to visit my mom on Mother's Day, I would NOT be happy if I was bumped by another employee's wife, traveling alone to do some shipping in NYC.
Seniority does count for something: it counts for higher pay, more vacation time, and better schedules (for most jobs). Traveling is a benefit: senior employees don't get better rates on health insurance. And, as pointed out in a comment to Row23 Middle, a more senior person doesn't get to go to the front of the line at the company union.
awausairtech
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welcome to the AIRLINES...AS IT HAS BEEN AS FAR BACK AS I GO (DOH).
SegmentKing
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If someone in your trave database REALLY needs to get somewhere, then buy an ED20... our "management" has extended to all employees a 20% off discount off all published fares.
Too many people confuse "non rev" as a BENEFIT, not a priviledge or right. If there happens to be an open seat for me, fantastic! If not, I take the next flight, and if I *really* need to be there, I plan ahead and use an ED20.
Too many people confuse "non rev" as a BENEFIT, not a priviledge or right. If there happens to be an open seat for me, fantastic! If not, I take the next flight, and if I *really* need to be there, I plan ahead and use an ED20.
Right now, it's not very easy or convenient to see where you stand using DOH. You would have to go to Shares, look up the PNR of every employee, and then look up their hire date.
And yes, I know the ETC could be revised to add that information.
However, once you check in for a flight, your place in line will be the same throghout the day. With DOH, that's not true. You could be the most senior person and then a more senior person wanders up.
"Fair" means different things to different people.
Shuttling children back and forth for visitation would be the ideal situation for the 20% off tkts.
Then, they would be positive space, too; no worries!
Thanks for the suggestion, segmentking!
Also, atoguy, you could fly to where your children are, and escort them at the higher priority.
I'm sorry for your situation, hang in there.
Then, they would be positive space, too; no worries!
Thanks for the suggestion, segmentking!
Also, atoguy, you could fly to where your children are, and escort them at the higher priority.
I'm sorry for your situation, hang in there.
ClueByFour
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And yet US is only around now because of HP, and FCFS is both simpler and infinitely fairer.
geez, are we gonna get into THIS again?
MarkMyWords
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Just out of curiosity.....and wnating to stir the pit a little.....
As a CP, would you want your upgrades based on Miles Flown or FCFS? What if you were a 200K flier vs a 75K flier? What if upgrades were based on how long you have been a CP?
Just a prospective kinda thing.....
ClueByFour
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I've told you this no less than three times on this forum. You are wrong both in rhetoric and in fact.
From the US Airways Annual Report for 2005 (http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/fetchFilingFrameset.aspx?dcn=0000950124-06-001200&Type=HTML):
From the bankruptcy court (http://www.donlinrecano.net/dr201/mwc/04-13819/dk002399-0004.pdf):
Don't let the facts get in your way.
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