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For my lack of understanding, can someone help me understand why APA puts up billboards like the one posted here? Passengers are LIFE! Without passengers, AA tanks and everyone is out collecting unemployment payments. Pilots talk about not wanting to transfer to another airline because they will simply drop to the bottom of the line and have to take HUGE paycuts...well, last time I checked, causing an airline to tank by constant negative publicity (whether right or wrong) seems like a one way ticket to another airline's senority list or not flying. Can someone help me understand why the average pilot would want to put their ticket on the line with the APA at the controls?

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Oh, I'm sure it will be spun somehow.

tfc767, could you please answer this question. I have no answer.
 
What other choice do you see? The flying public doesn't care about all the paycuts we took, they just want the cheapest fares. The public just laughs at informational picketing. This is about the only way to get the message across to the shisters in HQ. I think it's very sad to have to resort to this but if it doesn't hit there wallet then they're just going to keep ignoring us forever. :down:
 
It's very simple: the APA in its infinite wisdom thinks that by disparaging the company at every turn it will help them in its contract negotiations. Look at some of the recent issues that have been on some of the various sites (ASAP safety issue and the hot one of the past few days has been the BA/Iberia alliance).
 
If the company would just engage in for real good faith bargaining than none of this would be happening. I don't think anyone really wants to bite the hand that feeds them but the dog can only survive on biscuits for so long. Look if you want these people to just sit back and except there lot in life it just isn't happening. We as union Americans and people too shouldn't have to subsidise everyone else. The public, the execs and Wall Street (look whats happening there due to greed) can't keep expecting us to except Third World Pay!!!!!
 
I sure hope your not using pilot and "Third World Pay" in the same sentence!
 
Like the other poster...please do not even try to consider your pay third world. Last time I checked...the "average" pay for American Airlines pilots is over $130,000...I would love to know how many pilots live in Colleyville or Southlake (very upscale towns in the DFW area). Also, if you consider what the APA is doing as "good faith bargaining" you are sadly mistaken. A bargaining table is one where one side provides a "realistic" (ie not 50%+ raise and 6%+ per year after and super bowl sunday as a holiday) offer and then actually negotiates from there, not simply say this is what we want and will not take anything less...I dont think I missed that class in college
 
If you want to talk about Third World salaries, just go ask your child's teacher how much they make, and ask them how many hours per month they work (try a LOT more than a pilot). And if your kids happen to go to a Catholic school, the salary will be even lower than the public school teacher. Good luck trying to convince those teachers/police officers/firemen/etc. that they need to fork over more money than they already are because the pilots want a 50% raise and 6% per year after that and a paid Super Bowl sunday.
 
I'm not a pilot. I'm a ramper. I lost over $10,000 a year, my home and my wife. AA is not offering APA ANYTHING, much less 50%. They don't and neither do I yet make Third World wages but that's what corporate America wants! In the early days of unionism MEN DIED trying to get a descent wage. Do you think that any large corporation gives a damn about there workers? It's been fought for over the last 50 years. Are you a CEO? Do you sit on the BOD of 6 Co's? Do you take stock even as your company's bleeding money? Do you say Pull Together Win Together with a straight face when it was never your intention?

I'm beyond exstatic to hear ANY union is fighting back!!! Maybe one day this sleeping giant (LABOR) will finally wake up and remember what our grandfathers did for us a long time ago? Go pilots Go! Damn the torpedoes :up:

And by the way it all winds up trickling down at the end of the day. And just like you, those teachers and firefighters I want to make a good salary and not have to eat Ramen Noodles to subsidize some guy in shorts and a tank top who should never have been on my airplane in the first place. Flying should never have been a right or entitlement! Thats what Greyhound is for. Sorry the low fare days are over and I hope you enjoyed the ride? :shock:
 
I dont think I missed that class in college


slupilot01,

I think you missed the "Loss of Spending Power Due to Inflationary Pressures 101" class in college. I think you also skipped "Employee Motivation, Why They Fail to Respond to Overtime Requests for Straight Pay 101"


Basic stuff.

I won't touch my opinion of the billboard issue. Although I would be accurate on a public forum, I feel no need to spend months dealing with the "dark forces" if "others" fail to see the "humor" in my posts. It's safe to say though the billboards came out of total frustration on certain issues.
 
I could be wrong but I don't think Slupilot cares? He just sees fares going up and wants it to stop no matter what. :blink: All people in America care about today is themselves. They just don't understand that it's all interwined. If we can't afford to purchase there goods and services then they can't afford to fly on our airplanes. Math 101 :huh:
 
slupilot01,

I think you missed the "Loss of Spending Power Due to Inflationary Pressures 101" class in college. I think you also skipped "Employee Motivation, Why They Fail to Respond to Overtime Requests for Straight Pay 101"


Basic stuff.

I think in MIA they settled the overtime issue for the rest of the year. I've heard that in passenger service, the edict came down from on high that there will be no more overtime and no more extensions granted for any reason, even if an arriving flight takes a gate miss - it sits at the gate until an agent is free to go hook up the jet bridge and open the door, and it's already happening.

Before you might think there is nothing wrong with this picture, remember this is MIA, where they were already short something like 20%-25% of their headcount and have been for more than a couple of years now. Overtime and extensions are what kept them running. Now that it has been cut out completely, I'm taking ALL my flying to FLL. I won't take the risk of being held hostage at the gate for no amount of time simply because AA, with their billions in the bank, refuses to pay their people to take care of the paying customers.

I understand the frustrations of the pilots, and I see the reasoning behind the billboards. I also sympathize for the employees who have lost money, homes, wives, husbands . . . family, then have to sit back and read the headlines about the millions execs stuck into their own pockets. The executives don't run AA, they hire consultants for that, but they certainly do take the most money out of the company and remember, when AA cries about the cost of labor, those millions in their pocket are just as much a part of those expenses as the ten dollar agents.

I believe in paying people a living wage, and sometimes that means you have to make adjustments in that wage according to the cost of living where you are doing business. It costs a helluva lot more to live and work in MIA than it does DFW or ORD. I highly doubt those cities have double digit property taxes and insurance payments that equal what many people in this country pay for six months worth of mortgage payments. AA pays it's people slum wages and expects them to get by in one of the highest places in the country for cost of living.

It's not easy to just pick up and go elsewhere. One has to wonder just how much less AA employees can do without but I have a feeling that once AA takes away healthcare for low-scale and part time employees - and they will take it, that will be the end for many of their low wage people.

Just google "foreclosure" and "Florida" and you'll get over 3 million hits.

I didn't used to think so, but now I do believe the pilot's billboards is money spent wisely.
 

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