nwa mechanics

[dc3fanatic]

I quit the airlines and DO have a non-union job that pays me a decent wage (for my expertise) and provides me with better benefits. Here is the kicker....at HALF the out of pocket cost of my old airline job 😛 . Gee, What a concept eh??

So, your union was ineffective? Better off without it, eh?

You fail to realize that America was built by generations of Blue-Collar workers, not the corporate robber barrons of modern day Amerika. They just managed to get into power with their endless political lobby over the years. You seem to have a problem with grasping that notion.

AmeriCa was built on both Blue and White collar workers. Alot of strong and highly visible companies were built not only by blue collar, but also entrepreneurial white collar workers.
It (also) took white collar workers to make Boeing, Lear, Coke, Apple, Dell, etc . . . what they are today, which are major global brands. It takes both and I haven't failed to realize anything.

I could care less if the management makes Billions in salary every year. Just fair-share it with those that ACTUALLY perform the daily functions of running the company. Employees get shafted every time when it's concessions time.

When discussing market wages, I was focusing on non-board and non-vp salaries. AND all those management people you're talking about . . . they actually RUN the company too. They actually perform DAILY functions that are critical to the operations; prime example, revenue management. Both have a part and a company can't run without either one.

Take the employees out of the picture and just exactly what sort of company do you have???? NADA, nothing, ZERO!! Because the employees ARE the company. The problem is that the jack-asses at the top are too inept to understand this reality. I guess all that "hard earned" compensation of theirs clouds their judgment <_<

Sometimes assets, sometimes liabilities . . . depends on what they add to the company. On the balance sheet, we're all liabilities.

This is where you tell me about wage envy, etc..etc. Baloney on that! Give the working man his fair share and treat him with respect instead of threats and extortion....give in or we'll chapter 7 it :down:

Nope, I'm not going to discuss wage envy.

 

[AP Tech]

Should the workers have a contract or should the company be able to review their wages and benefits every 3 months or so to evaluate and adjust per market conditions? I'm sure if you were affected you would love that? :down:

 

[dc3fanatic]

Should the workers have a contract or should the company be able to review their wages and benefits every 3 months or so to evaluate and adjust per market conditions? I'm sure if you were affected you would love that? :down:

Personally, I think 3 months is too short, for any level of employee. What's the ideal length? I don't know.

It would be nice to see verbage in all contracts that can adjust wages as some point given market decisions. It ACTUALLY does happen to mgmt employees. (I'm looking outside NWA here). It has happened to me. I knew it was coming and I adjusted my lifestyle in anticipation.

It's far easier (contractually) to adjust mgmt salaries than union. You just do it. Sometimes it is actually reduced until attrition becomes unmanagable, and then wages increase and stabilize.

 

[markkus757]

Can anybody tell me why the jobs are going overseas? Oh, that's right, someone passed the NAFTA and WTO agreements. If I recall, that wasn't George Bush. Go ahead and point the fingers. Washington as a whole has screwed the middle class. Wake up Mr. Kool aid.

 

[AP Tech]

It would be nice to see verbage in all contracts that can adjust wages as some point given market decisions.

But honestly do you think after a review of wages, managment would actually raise them? What I'm used to seeing and hearing is when it benefits the company they want to re-open a contract for negotiation, but if it benefits the employee's the standard answer is "you have a contract" and its not amendable until XXXX

 

[dc3fanatic]

It would be nice to see verbage in all contracts that can adjust wages as some point given market decisions.

But honestly do you think after a review of wages, managment would actually raise them? What I'm used to seeing and hearing is when it benefits the company they want to re-open a contract for negotiation, but if it benefits the employee's the standard answer is "you have a contract" and its not amendable until XXXX

Yearly COLA (cost of living adjustment) raises happen. They are spelled out in contracts, or if you are management, you can wait and hope.

Raises above and beyond COLA would probably be influenced the same for both groups . . . based on attrition and market competitiveness.

The phrase 'you have a contract' goes both ways! When times are tough unions say 'we have a contract!' (insert whining).

Oh, and thanks for posting in such a way that the reply button doesn't work well! Closing your quotes from others makes it easier for them to respond.

 

[insp89]

W-T-F over?? Don't be such an imbecile man!!

I guess the fact that NWA has orchestrated this strike should be overlooked and non pertinent <_< ???

Let me refresh your short memory.....18 months prior to this job action by the HONORABLE AMT's at NWA, the COMPANY was training replacement workers (LOWLIFE-SCABS) for one reason only. To BUST the AMFA. The cost was upwards of $100 Million dollars to do just that !!! That's an airline that is supposedly strapped for cash eh????

NWA had NO intention whatsoever of bargaining in good faith. They simply dictated the terms and expected the AMFA membership to capitulate. But things didn't quite go their way did it ??? The AMT's stood up for their profession and did the RIGHT THING !!! That is intestinal fortitude and courage!! Now NWA has a less than able SCAB-workforce which is just another nail in the coffin of the abominable NWA :down: Want to borrow my pneumatic nail-gun?????

Don't preach that market condition bullsh*t because it's a farce. Anyone who believes in that scam is a FOOL!! "Corporate Amerika" has been on an all out assault on the working men and women of this nation, especially in the last decade!!

Well paid Mechanics.....Replaced by scabs :down: Thank you LOSER Oil-man President for allowing this :angry:

Well paid Pilots....Enter the Regional Jets that continue to grow in passenger capacity <_< ?? Didn't airlines have big airplanes already??? It's the WAGES stupid!!

Well paid Res Agents.....Outsourcing/Offshoring. "Ello, how mey aigh elp you dotay??"

Well paid rampers who get the bags where they need to be on time......enter the low wage part-timers and watch the PAWOB's soar!

Give in to concessions and Capter 11 is your reward.

So if you want to see inflated wages and inefficient work rules, look no farther than the Corporate HQ of NWA. You will hit the jackpot.

Lastly, print out a copy of this post and save it. Then in about 10 years when the "Walmarting of Amerika" is complete and there is no more middle class.....you will have something to eat. BTW, Who is going to pay all the taxes when all the good paying jobs are history??? Screw it all. Outsource the entire country!!! Think of all the profits for the shareholders 🙄

Depression Part II, coming to a country near you. Long live the Republicans and oil-man George. Is Halliburton hiring?????

E-TRONS, Well Said,

 

[E-TRONS]

DC3,

Amerika.....as in the way Nazi-Germany would spell it. It was spelled that way for effect. I guess you have no appreciation for sarcasm <_< ??

Yeah, My union at the airline was ineffective alright....IN THE BANKRUPTCY COURT!!! Maybe you will get to enjoy that helpless experience one day.

Here's a riddle......What working class were the Wright Brothers???

1) White Collar
2) Blue Collar Bicycle Mechanics????

Well whattaya know, it's answer 2 !!! Chalk one up for the Blue Collars

My point??? No Mechanics = No Aviation 😀 No employees = No Company. You can rearrange the numbers any way you want, but the answer is still the same 😛 .

 

[Dea Certe]

E-TRONS, Well Said,

Well said indeed Brother E-trons! It's just a matter of time before the scab force at NWA is replaced because they're too expensive and not what "the market" will bear.

Right now, the WTO is trying to get control of the immigration into the US. Soon, people from third world countries will be brought into the US and will take the jobs "no one else" wants.

This country is heading for a major depression. There will be no middle class.

 

[AP Tech]

Yearly COLA (cost of living adjustment) raises happen. They are spelled out in contracts, or if you are management, you can wait and hope.


Well as long as I have been a union employee I have never had a contract that has had a COLA raise. The issues you speak about would work very nice in the perfect world, but as you know this world is far from perfect. We have the "union slugs" along with the "managment bootlicks". Labor and managment have to reach a happy medium which is usually spelled out in a contract.

Sorry, not sure why the reply does not work correctly. No need to post entire quote, trying to conserve bandwidth.

 

[dc3fanatic]

DC3,

Amerika.....as in the way Nazi-Germany would spell it. It was spelled that way for effect. I guess you have no appreciation for sarcasm <_< ??

Oh, I appreciate it, just differently from the way you do.
Communism

Yeah, My union at the airline was ineffective alright....IN THE BANKRUPTCY COURT!!! Maybe you will get to enjoy that helpless experience one day.

Nope, 'cause I won't be helpless. AND maybe they helped you right in to bankruptcy . . .

Here's a riddle......What working class were the Wright Brothers???

1) White Collar
2) Blue Collar Bicycle Mechanics????

Well whattaya know, it's answer 2 !!! Chalk one up for the Blue Collars

My point??? No Mechanics = No Aviation 😀 No employees = No Company. You can rearrange the numbers any way you want, but the answer is still the same 😛 .

Wow, your ONE example sure proves everything. And uh, he had to 'turn' white collar to manage the entire business.

Can't run an airline without white collar either. It takes both blue and white collar, never said it didn't.

 

[dc3fanatic]

Well as long as I have been a union employee I have never had a contract that has had a COLA raise. The issues you speak about would work very nice in the perfect world, but as you know this world is far from perfect. We have the "union slugs" along with the "managment bootlicks". Labor and managment have to reach a happy medium which is usually spelled out in a contract.

Have you ever had a year over year raise for doing exactly the same job? If so, then you've had a COLA raise. Call it a 'seniority' raise if you like, it's the same thing.

Sorry, not sure why the reply does not work correctly. No need to post entire quote, trying to conserve bandwidth.

try using the close quotes command. it's '/quote' surrounded by brackets.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

Can anybody tell me why the jobs are going overseas? Oh, that's right, someone passed the NAFTA and WTO agreements. If I recall, that wasn't George Bush. Go ahead and point the fingers. Washington as a whole has screwed the middle class. Wake up Mr. Kool aid.

I agree 100% markkus757. These guys act like the current economy is a result of the current administration. It takes years for economic policies to show progress or digress. Clinton had a free ride from Reagan’s trickle down economics now Bush is having to deal with Clintons economic policies, the problem here is that Bush is doing nothing to reverse the mistakes that Clinton made. So now the next administration is going to have some serious economic issues to deal with. I don't see any help coming from either of the parties, I think it is time for a Grass Roots movement.

 

[Bagbelt]

It was actually G. Bush senior who raised taxes enough to start managing the deficit. They never forgave him for it. Trickle down has never worked and will never work, it is based on the romantic notion that someone will control spending. Clinton was a good econonics man, whatever else you want to say about him. I'm not going to argue theory, I just look at results. As far as the non union crap I hear, it's usually motivated by resentment at someone making far more for the same job. If you don't like it, too bad. The truth is we don't get paid too much, you don't get paid enough.

 

[robbedagain]

I agree 100% markkus757. These guys act like the current economy is a result of the current administration. It takes years for economic policies to show progress or digress. Clinton had a free ride from Reagan’s trickle down economics now Bush is having to deal with Clintons economic policies, the problem here is that Bush is doing nothing to reverse the mistakes that Clinton made. So now the next administration is going to have some serious economic issues to deal with. I don't see any help coming from either of the parties, I think it is time for a Grass Roots movement.

i disagree. Under Clinton, the economy was very good as i recall no airline employee lost their jobs. Yeah their was pissypoor mgmt but still the employees kept their jobs. Then bush cheats his way into the whitehouse. then 9-11 which is what propelled the problems 3x faster. But as far as Im concerned,with airlines, Bush should put a gap on mgmt wages and bring back the lost workers from furloughand stop the outsourcing