nwa mechanics

[ThirdSeatHero]

If you put a Cap on mgmt wages, then arguably talent within the ranks would decrease.

can't get the right people for the job, or they don't stay long enough to be effective.

The idea sounds great when drinking a beer, but won't play out in the real world the way you want it to.

And the interesting thing is you could say the exact same thing for AMTs in this industry.

 

[E-TRONS]

NH/BB's:

Thanks for the kind words 🙄

Happy Holidays to you and yours!

 

[finman]

How DARE YOU CALL me a COMMUNIST. I am a registered DEMOCRAT. You are the communist. Clinto is the one who got the economy going. And he handed this current admin a surplus which was huge and all this joker of a clown did was turned it into the biggest deficit the country has had and into a war in which we dont belong. So dont you ever ever call me a communist

What exactly did clinton do to "get the economy going". Way too much credit (and blame) is given to presidents as it relates to the economy. The government can either reduce economic activity (by raising taxes) or increase economic activity (by decreasing taxes). The rest is up to the the hundreds of millions of other economic forces accross the globe that drive the direction of the economy as a whole.

It is such simplistic thinking to assume that one man is somehow responsible for all of that, especially when the only thing Clinton did as it relates to the economy is raise taxes. Obviously the negative impact of that was more than offset by the boom in the technology sector.

I agree that Bush has not curtailed government spending as much as I'd like to see (non-military discretionary spending has actually increased more under Bush than Clinton). I think he's finally realized that no matter how much he acts like a liberal in the big-government realm, he will still be hated by the left and the media, so hopefully he gets some sack and cuts spending going forward.

I don't think you're a communist, just a typical democrat that repeats talking points but has no interest in critically thinking about the issues.

 

[markkus757]

I agree. Presidents on both sides get way too much credit for the good and way too much blame when things go wrong. The economy is ciclical and you cannot stop that. You can only alter the time frame from good to bad and back again.
Businesses have gotten off way too easily by both sides of the aisle. They should be made to reinvest into making their business better instead of just more profitable. I don't think you can mandate this but this is what is needed. We might not be able to go to war in future when necessary because most of the critical supplies we use daily will all be made outside of our borders, making us incredible vulnerable.

 

[robbedagain]

What exactly did clinton do to "get the economy going". Way too much credit (and blame) is given to presidents as it relates to the economy. The government can either reduce economic activity (by raising taxes) or increase economic activity (by decreasing taxes). The rest is up to the the hundreds of millions of other economic forces accross the globe that drive the direction of the economy as a whole.

It is such simplistic thinking to assume that one man is somehow responsible for all of that, especially when the only thing Clinton did as it relates to the economy is raise taxes. Obviously the negative impact of that was more than offset by the boom in the technology sector.

I agree that Bush has not curtailed government spending as much as I'd like to see (non-military discretionary spending has actually increased more under Bush than Clinton). I think he's finally realized that no matter how much he acts like a liberal in the big-government realm, he will still be hated by the left and the media, so hopefully he gets some sack and cuts spending going forward.

I don't think you're a communist, just a typical democrat that repeats talking points but has no interest in critically thinking about the issues.

I may be a democrat but i dont repeat the talking points. I take critical issues seriously. you may be the republican but the simple fact is is that they dont look at facts. Hurricane Katrina recovery is the biggest failure Bush has done for this country. Had he reacted to that the way he did after 9/11 I dont believe he would be so hated thru the media. I dont hate him but I feel he should a lot more for the country than what he is doing.
As for the airline and other business sectors, he should have congress enact some kind of laws whereas mgmt cant accept huge pay and bonus while the employees sufffer

 

[PlayTheOdds]

robbed, this post proves you ignorance about Americas political system. I know you claim to be a natural born American Citizen but I have my doubts. The mayor of New Orleans and Kathleen Blanco are solely responsible for that fiasco. You have no concept at all as to the meaning of free enterprise.

Don't you have a country of your own that needs your political expertise?

 

[robbedagain]

robbed, this post proves you ignorance about Americas political system. I know you claim to be a natural born American Citizen but I have my doubts. The mayor of New Orleans and Kathleen Blanco are solely responsible for that fiasco. You have no concept at all as to the meaning of free enterprise.

Don't you have a country of your own that needs your political expertise?

if anyone o n this board is ignorant it is you. You have no idea who the hell i am. I told once before that I am a natural born American Citizen. I was born in Miami Florida right before people like you from another country took over. I know a lot about the political system in addition to the aviation world, to which you have no clue.
I know how it feels to be living in a free world and not taking a job away from someone as you did in the NWA case

 

[finman]

Businesses have gotten off way too easily by both sides of the aisle. They should be made to reinvest into making their business better instead of just more profitable. I don't think you can mandate this but this is what is needed. We might not be able to go to war in future when necessary because most of the critical supplies we use daily will all be made outside of our borders, making us incredible vulnerable.

I think making a business "better" and making a business more profitable are one in the same. I'm not sure how you would differentiate the two, when the strength of a company is measured in its return on equity and other measures that are all driven by profit margin. If you're referring to "better" meaning increased regulation as it relates to labor compensation and other items, then you're correct, once you start mandating how a company conducts its business, you get less people willing to risk capital, and less ecomomic activity as a result, which is good for nobody.

Certainly, it would be to our benefit if we had complete control of our supply chain as a nation, but obviously, that would require a closed economy. I agree, though, that our access to vital resources should be strenghtened where possible.

I'm quite baffled that the democrats are stifling our ability to drill more domestic oil, when this resource is probably the most vital resource in our economy. Letting environomentalists dictate our energy policy is a dangerous game the democrats apparently believe is worth the votes they'll get from their base. I'm guessing everyone on this board, whose livelihood depends on a stable oil market, would not disagree with that assessment.

 

[markkus757]

There are two ways to look at it. If you look at the short term goals, then outsourcing and drilling in Anwar are the way to go. If you wanted to look more long term, renewable energy sources and reinvesting in the productive capability of your company are better for long term success. The robotic assembly-line did not put GM, Ford, or Chrysler out of business. They allowed them to grow and add employees.
I'm not necessarlity saying that we need total control of the supply chain, but we are getting farther away from calling the shots and we allowing other countries to have more control over our destiny. As the world becomes more fractured and less friendly, we need to continue to look out for our best interests and protect our citzens from all threats, even economic. I know it's hard in the global economy, but that doesn't mean we help out everyone else at our expense.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

I told once before that I am a natural born American Citizen. I was born in Miami Florida right before people like you from another country took over. I know a lot about the political system in addition to the aviation world, to which you have no clue.
I know how it feels to be living in a free world and not taking a job away from someone as you did in the NWA case

I am not sure how to take this post robbed.

As far as taking a AMFA AMT's job... well I didn't. This job was offered by NWA. If you have any problems with that, take it up with AMFA.

 

[robbedagain]

I dont have to tske it up with AMFA. NWA should have NEGOGIATED with them. instead they hired a former USAIR CFO and that idiot told NWA to prepare to replace the hardworking NWA mechanics with scabs like you

 

[Hackman]

I am not sure how to take this post robbed.

As far as taking a AMFA AMT's job... well I didn't. This job was offered by NWA. If you have any problems with that, take it up with AMFA.

Well 'Cods, RA did state your ignorant, of which when it comes to your choice of companies you could have worked for instead of Scab Air, I have to agree. Except, I would have to call it idiocy.

Again 'Cods, no matter how much you deny and side-step the issue, you took someone's job. This occured because of your agreement with corporate greed and criminal intent of management,(not bargaining in "good faith" is against the RLA, which is Federal Law). AMFA was forced out on strike, which AMFA had no choice.

One glaring detail you have apparently missed is your an "at will" employee of ruthless Scab Air management, and they can do with you as they please. It looks like your in Neil "the butcher" Cohen's sights, which is not good for you and your scab buddies. If what looks like is Scab Air's desparate need for cash, your easy cannon fodder.

You stated in another post you give Scab Air another year, I don't think you have nearly that much time. 😉

 

[finman]

Again 'Cods, no matter how much you deny and side-step the issue, you took someone's job. This occured because of your agreement with corporate greed and criminal intent of management,(not bargaining in "good faith" is against the RLA, which is Federal Law). AMFA was forced out on strike, which AMFA had no choice.

One glaring detail you have apparently missed is your an "at will" employee of ruthless Scab Air management, and they can do with you as they please. It looks like your in Neil "the butcher" Cohen's sights, which is not good for you and your scab buddies. If what looks like is Scab Air's desparate need for cash, your easy cannon fodder.

I still think it's a big stretch to claim that the "good faith" language was breached, when that is a completely subjective term. Like I've stated, the fact that NWA offered 2700 jobs when they ideally wanted only 900 sounds like a "good faith" offer considering the circumstances. AMFA had a choice in the matter. The absence of a good choice is not equivilant to not having a choice. I'm not sure why that reality continues to be ignored. It must be another union mentality thing that I can't grasp.

"At will" employees are treated just as fairly as union employees. I'm not sure why the "at-will" status is considered a negative position to be in. It allows you to be judged on your own merits, and with it, you get treated like a professional. I.E., if you can't cut it, then you get let go, rather than having to keep around incompetent people that are protected by their union.

To keep asserting that NWA is going to ask for additional concessions from the current mechanics is just a little bit silly when you think about the current nature of the workforce. The operation can not handle a large exodus of mechanics at this point, so NWA must keep the current guys happy to avoid an operational disaster that heavy attrition would cause. The pay levels are at the proper market level, and with the current mechanics being made up largely of "drifters", they're pay has to remain at market levels to keep them. If they were all union members remaining, then yes, I could see additional concessions as a possibility, as NWA would be confident that there would still be enough people willing to work at the lower wages. An interesting dynamic, though, would present itself if AMFA votes for the current agreement, which would open the door for AMFA guys to backfill anybody that leaves. With that increase in the supply of mechanics, maybe that opens the door to further lower the pay levels and still garner an adequate workforce. I still doubt it would happen, but I guess that would move it from a 0% chance to maybe a 10% chance.

 

[robbedagain]

NWA began planning the scab replacement 18 months before the actual strike. How can that be in "good faith bargaining"? NWA never intended on negogiatinu but the worst possible deals for the unions and yet the AMFA was the only UNION to STAND UP and fight against the corporate greedy a**holes. all of you scabs just wait until NWA mgmt says "we will take away half of your benefits and pay. then you will know what a living hell is at the airline. we at usair went thru it for a few yrs prior to the merger with HP

 

[dc3fanatic]

And the interesting thing is you could say the exact same thing for AMTs in this industry.

Do you have turnover data to prove it?