Occupy Wall Street

[Bob Owens]

Our Local voted to support the movement and I was glad to see the International join us. Enough is enough. Kids come out of school with huge debts and cant find jobs. Why? Because the people who should be retired lost their pensions and are still working, others are working 60 hours a week and as long as they do that companies dont need to hire more workers. The fact is the banks and other large corporations have taken over and they just want more and more and more. If working people want to get a fair shake we cant take them on one at a time, we have to push for a mass awakening. When the top dogs senbse that instability is going to affect them negatively things will change. Bufett, as usual was ahead of the curve. After deacdes of tax cuts followed by even more tax cuts for the rich some of them are realizing that the free ride is over and they need to give a little back.

Bankers not lending money? What are they going to do with it? Banking is the biggest scam on earth. For every dollar they hold they get to lend out and collect interest on 10. If you did that you would go to jail. Do we need Banks, sure, but we dont need for them to make and control so much of our resources.

 

[Birdman]

Our Local voted to support the movement and I was glad to see the International join us.

Bob, I'm totally confused by these four news headlines. Perhaps you can explain.

1.TRANSPORT WORKERS ENDORSE OBAMA
2.WALL STREET PUTS ITS MONEY BEHIND OBAMA
3.A MASSIVE UNION (TWU) JUST VOTED TO SIDE WITH WALL STREET PROTESTERS
4.WALL STREET SHIFTS SUPPORT FROM OBAMA TO ROMNEY

Is the TWU's support strictly political?

 

[TWU informer]

Bob, I'm totally confused by these four news headlines. Perhaps you can explain.

1.TRANSPORT WORKERS ENDORSE OBAMA
2.WALL STREET PUTS ITS MONEY BEHIND OBAMA
3.A MASSIVE UNION (TWU) JUST VOTED TO SIDE WITH WALL STREET PROTESTERS
4.WALL STREET SHIFTS SUPPORT FROM OBAMA TO ROMNEY

Is the TWU's support strictly political?

ROFLMAO

 

[eolesen]

Some of these "occupation" events look like an excuse to party, not a demonstration... but to each their own. I don't see it doing a whole lot of good.

 

[Frank Szabo]

ROFLMAO

What's the procedure for going agency fee?

With this list of those "worthy of twu support", I'll be damned if I'll give them any more than I have to.

 

[Birdman]

What's the procedure for doing agency fee?

With this list of those "worthy of twu support", I'll be damned if I'll give them any more than I have to.

Stay tuned. There will be a thread started end of December for all those interested. You can only go AF in January of each year. Many of us were AF for 10 years before being notified last year they needed a request each and every year. The IAM lost a lawsuit requiring yearly renotification but no one has sued the TWU yet.

 

[Tater Salad]

The Middle Class has been taking it in the shorts for some time now. Alot of the posters on this forum have been bemoaning this same fact. They are representing the 99% of us who keep getting screwed by the 1% that don't give a sh#t about the rest of us. All change has to start somewhere, Occupy Wall Street started out with less than a hundred protesters, this past weekend there were in excess of 20,000. Why can't some of you support that?

 

[FWAAA]

I support it; that way, when the cops start bashing skulls (as they inevitably do), there will be a high density of protesters, making it easy for the police to injure substantial numbers.

Last week, a reporter here in LA asked a "spokesman" of the Occupy LA group "how will we know when your protest has accomplished its goals?" and the doofus said "I don't know." The look on the reporter's face was priceless.

Certainly is a good thing that the worthless union is supporting such nonsense - after all, they've already accomplished their primary purpose of securing wage and benefit improvements for their members, right?

 

[Buck]

As the subtitle of my post states, Is this where my dues should go?

With the Poll asking the Question.

"Do you oppose using your TWU dues for Occupy Wall Street?"

Here is a list of demands posted at Occupy Wall Street (this list is not a official list but posted by a member.)

Is this where my dues should go?

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending “Freetrade” by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand four: Free college education.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America’s nuclear power plants.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the “Books.” World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the “Books.” And I don’t mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

 

[Birdman]

And the TWU supports these demands? :blink:

 

[Tex-Mech]

And the TWU supports these demands? :blink:

I'm okay with them supporting all but number nine. It's about time they supported a working class movement. Although I do believe their hand has been forced by the locals, especially local 100, supporting the movement. Considering that they were the only union not to support the health care bill, I would say that the support here is done very reluctantly.

 

[Buck]

I'm okay with them supporting all but number nine. It's about time they supported a working class movement. Although I do believe their hand has been forced by the locals, especially local 100, supporting the movement. Considering that they were the only union not to support the health care bill, I would say that the support here is done very reluctantly.

Like our negotiations?

My point is that why did the union not start the movement? The union waits until it was making press and then climb on the coattails. If it was so bad out there what took so long?

Number Nine. What about the rest of the economic demands?

Can you say depression or massive tax hikes?

You could fine all the bad bankers their lifes earnings and it would never be enough to cover everyones debt and the one trillion dollars nature restroration fund.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

I attended the "Occupy wall street" protest rally. I am telling you all, that the media interviews alot of people and is very selective on who they put on televsion for all to watch. The interviews they put on TV are to make it look bad is by design. the media is controlled by corporate america and others. I watched many interviews that were excellent and thought out but never made it to air. I watched dozens of speakers preach the shortfalls for the working man and the tax payers and did not see one second on the air. They encouraged people to get involved and use the masses to be heard for their causes.
The grass roots occupy wall street has evolved from the original intent to a much broader and bigger audience. The working people and unemployed of NYC came out because they are frustrated with not being heard and this venue ignited them with a way to show their displeasure. It was not limited to unions, i stood by all workers of NYC( union and non-union) complaining about the same issues. I viewed the experience as a positive one. Being there is totally different, than listening to the media try to tell you what it's all about. I was there and I am to tell you that it was great to be a part of such a large protest and I can only hope that this momentum can inspire more people to protest with their issues. Labor has been silent for way too long!

FYI: I was on my day off attending the rally at no cost to our local

 

[Buck]

I attended the "Occupy wall street" protest rally. I am telling you all, that the media interviews alot of people and is very selective on who they put on televsion for all to watch. The interviews they put on TV are to make it look bad is by design. the media is controlled by corporate america and others. I watched many interviews that were excellent and thought out but never made it to air. I watched dozens of speakers preach the shortfalls for the working man and the tax payers and did not see one second on the air. They encouraged people to get involved and use the masses to be heard for their causes.
The grass roots occupy wall street has evolved from the original intent to a much broader and bigger audience. The working people and unemployed of NYC came out because they are frustrated with not being heard and this venue ignited them with a way to show their displeasure. It was not limited to unions, i stood by all workers of NYC( union and non-union) complaining about the same issues. I viewed the experience as a positive one. Being there is totally different, than listening to the media try to tell you what it's all about. I was there and I am to tell you that it was great to be a part of such a large protest and I can only hope that this momentum can inspire more people to protest with their issues. Labor has been silent for way too long!

FYI: I was on my day off attending the rally at no cost to our local

I applaude you for getting involved. Yes it is time for labor to step and twist corporate America's ears, however I do not understand your statement that the media is controlled by corporate america.

Some of the demands associated with OWS are so far out there that they could only bring a new revolution or civial war.....

 

[Frank Szabo]

I applaude you for getting involved. Yes it is time for labor to step and twist corporate America's ears, however I do not understand your statement that the media is controlled by corporate america.

Some of the demands associated with OWS are so far out there that they could only bring a new revolution or civil war.....

Immediately after WWII, our government recognized that the monster they had created to win the war was indeed most capable of unseating them from their pomp and cushy jobs and set out to breed the balls off the American citizen. Judging from the fact millions of citizens have not decended on Washington DC, armed and guillotines in tow, I'd say the government was quite sucessful in their endeavor.

Revolution? Yeah - right. Bilgewater.

Civil war? Perhaps - after the Lightbringer fails to be reelected as prez.