I don't get the reasoning for this concept. They actually plan for employees to quit and leave. I thought companies favored employees staying around after the cost of training? You should listen to this crap. They got only 12 this month but, plan for 18 on the west and the east no one leaves outside of the 3 per month due to retirement. Please is this normal corporate planning? I'm so shocked over things that come out of her mouth. Shouln't they be trying to figure out why people are leaving and fix the problem??
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Yes, it is S.O.P. for HR departments in corporations of all types to plan for attrition. There is an assumption/estimate on how many people leave per month based on retirements, job changes, terminations, etc. There's nothing unique about this practice within US with flight attendants.
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As PHL said, this is something that is a proper function of management. Think about it a second. What would happen if they actually waited for a vacancy to begin the hiring and training process?
The problem that I have is that they lose 25-33% of their new hire FA's within 8-12 weeks and think that that kind of attrition is acceptable. Why doesn't that kind of attrition raise huge red flags about either job requirements or, alternatively, their ability to adequately specify and communicate the actual job realities that folks will encounter before incurring the costs of training? The cost of training is simply too high to routinely have those kind of losses soon after training.
The problem that I have is that they lose 25-33% of their new hire FA's within 8-12 weeks and think that that kind of attrition is acceptable. Why doesn't that kind of attrition raise huge red flags about either job requirements or, alternatively, their ability to adequately specify and communicate the actual job realities that folks will encounter before incurring the costs of training? The cost of training is simply too high to routinely have those kind of losses soon after training.
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because its cheaper to train someone than to keep them.
Straight from the mouth of an airline president.
Straight from the mouth of an airline president.
Thank you for the education. I think the differance between East and West was the shocker for me. Sheri stated no one leaves the East except though retirement. West plans for 18, East plans for 0-3. That just seems to be very off balance to me.
The question presentent in the meeting was "What are you doing about the attrition in the West f/A devision?" I interpreted the question being a concern of the person asking it.
Joining the training department would a great place for job security.
You'd be working short all the time like those of us at the airports? :blink:
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I know.
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That doesn't hold true when the attrition is from the new hires themselves.
W'ell lets see. If you only pay a new west fa $20 dollars a day for training. No food, room or board. Start them at the worst salaries possible in the industry. No hope of getting off reserve for sometime. Have to pay for your uniform, luggage as a new hire. Deal with our horrible working conditions on RSV, due to a outdated crappy contract. And scheduler's who are ruthless and awful on the phone. Tagging all the time. Driving to the airport after sitting on 2 hour call out just to sit on Hot Reserve for another 5 hours and not get called out. Having to deal with our witchunt mgmt style??? Hmm, did I miss anything???! I would quit too!!!
🙄Your numbers are flawed. Attrition accounts for terminations, resignations, retirements and is averaged at the number Isom mentioned.
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Maybe the topic list was limited by management to the topics they felt comfortable talking about or wanted to talk about. When the head of Flight Service finally came to STL for the first time--about 3 months ago--after multiple cancellations over several years, all she wanted to talk about was the upgrades on the 767, and "how excited she was" about them. We don't even see a 767 at STL unless it has diverted from ORD due to weather.
The "open" meeting ended shortly after one of the f/as in attendance pointed out that we didn't care about the 767 because we never flew it. At least, that's the version I got.
The "open" meeting ended shortly after one of the f/as in attendance pointed out that we didn't care about the 767 because we never flew it. At least, that's the version I got.
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I was replying to the post immediately above mine where the poster was wondering why only 4 topics were covered in the meeting. Try reading all the posts--not just the last one.
BTW, the thread topic is not new hires. Read the thread title.
BTW, the thread topic is not new hires. Read the thread title.
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