Oh Where Oh Where Has The Iam Gone ?

[IAM1776PHL]

But the auto workers at the big 3 in the U.S. basically all make the same compensation. They have pattern bargaining. In this case, higher paid IAM members are being replaced by lower paid IAM members. What good does the IAM do for their lower paid members? NOTHING. At these rates, why pay dues to a union if you can make more in a non-union job?The unions (IAM, TWU, IBT, ALPA, AFA, and AMFA) care only about one thing, DUES. And they don't care if you are making a subliving wage which is LOWER than the capitalist "market rate". U can't even get people for the new union negotiated rate. Heck U had to raise that rate to about $9.50 an hour and still can't get people. Conclusion: Unions are now WORTHLESS!

[post="260286"][/post]​

Thank you aafsc its all starting to make sense.
imo that was the iam's original porposal for midatlantic ,sellout the higher paid iam workforce for a gaurentee to get the midatlantic jobs as iam lower paid worker. Tell me now that U is in the process of selling M/A to these other carriers for $$$$ will the work and dues still go to the iam ?

 

[diogenes]

At LGA, The I.A.M. is representing local 447, the outsourced utility vendor that replaced the USAirways utility workers March 28th ! I cant believe the I.A.M. would do such a thing but I guess its just another business.

[post="260261"][/post]​

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That is truly despicable.

700, the IAM may not have any influence over who U chooses as vendors, but they certainly have a choice over what work they accept.

Scab is a term thrown about loosely on this board, and the 447's are not scabs. They are a scab's kissing cousin, IMO.

Bad form for the IAM. Money trumps principle.

 

[700UW]

Lets see the Mechanic and Related members voted to approve the contract language change.

I see plenty of RJs flying mainline routes by ALPA pilots who are making way less then their mainline counterparts.

And a mainline F28 F/O flying a 63 or 69 seat plane, made more then then MDA pilots flying a 76 seat plane.

What is wrong about giving workers a say in the workplace by being able to have union representation?

And by unionizing the vendors, you are able to bring up their wages which in turn use to bring up airline employees wages.

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

I'm glad someone brought up the BIG three automakers. The UAW has been doing the same thing the IAM is doing. There have been many UAW represented BIG three auto parts plants that were shutdown and sold to other companies on the condition from the UAW that the new much lower wage workers at these plants would have to be represented by the UAW. Some union! :down:

 

[700UW]

What about your counterparts at American Eagle?

 

[DR.EVIL]

Man, you're really touchy about the IAM. Have
you been appointed their public relations
person? You have an unhealthy obsession with
the health and well being of your union.

[post="260285"][/post]​

100% correct. Ole 700 did get an iam appointed job. Why else would he keep this garbage up. :down:

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

TWU has been doing the same thing to the AE employees and AA employees.

 

[delldude]

I'm glad someone brought up the BIG three automakers. The UAW has been doing the same thing the IAM is doing. There have been many UAW represented BIG three auto parts plants that were shutdown and sold to other companies on the condition from the UAW that the new much lower wage workers at these plants would have to be represented by the UAW. Some union! :down:

[post="260294"][/post]​

a few years back IAM was going to merge with several other big time unions.......

 

[700UW]

It was the UAW and USWA.

 

[IAM1776PHL]

It was the UAW and USWA.

[post="260304"][/post]​

Did anyone hear anything about the iam leaving the aflcio ?

 

[aafsc]

What about your counterparts at American Eagle?

[post="260295"][/post]​

As far as ramp, Eagle does pay a few dollars less an hour and they pay more for medical than does an AA ramper. I believe a topped out ramper at Eagle makes about $15.50 an hour as to where AA tops out close to $20. Eagle people get the same flight benefits that AAers do. However, it is much easier to load 40 bags on an RJ than it is to load a full 757 going to Lima, Peru. Also someone can go from Eagle to AA if they want (and many have) to get to top scale at AA. If our compensation drops to what U is paying it would, in my opinion, be better to be at an Eagle line station because the cost of living is lower in small cities and the quality of life is sometimes better and you mostly work RJs, props, and maybe a super 80 or 2. Even though Eagle people make less than AAers, how much less do these vendors make when compared to U people or the people at Piedmont or PSA?

 

[700UW]

PSA nor Piedmont rampers are unionized. And the mechanics at PSA top out more then a mainline mechanic and PSA mechanics are unionized.

The IAM has not left the AFL-CIO.

 

[IAM1776PHL]

PSA nor Piedmont rampers are unionized. And the mechanics at PSA top out more then a mainline mechanic and PSA mechanics are unionized.

The IAM has not left the AFL-CIO.

[post="260307"][/post]​

I said leaving not left

 

[fanlube]

An open question to the guys that are left working at U why is the IAM still on the property!! Are all you guys that dumb, if you took your car to the same mechanic and he kept messing it up would you keep taking it back? Just remember you voted on everything you got!! How many more paycuts are you guys going to let the IAM agree on till you have enough. The IAM has lost period!! all they care about are taking dues they could care less about the plight of the working man or they would have stood up to U!! Remember all the smack Frank S talked about how if the Airbus was farmed out we would strike if they change our contract we would strike blah blah blah IAM=LOSERS!! Industry leading concessions=IAM, can't dispute it! The famous quote from the great PIT pres"Iwish I could vote no" !!

 

[UAL_TECH]

This is where they were this week:

organizing new members and mobilizing current members,†said Transportation General Vice President Robert Roach, Jr.
“There is no problem that cannot be resolved for the membership’s benefit by drawing on the collective knowledge and experience we possess.â€

Now that is funny, in plain english they are looking how to increase the membership to offset the dues by those members furloughed. Next they will be going after the contract persons that were hired. Not to worry the IAM has time, members just furloughed still have 14 wks of severance from which the IAM can collect dues. :down:

"Collective knowlege and experience" now that a joke!!!!! What the IAM accomplished at USAirways is a joke!!! How to give away the store is what he meant. They talk a good game and that is about it. :down:

[post="260247"][/post]​

Instead of trying to combat the actions of the 'market forces' they are trying to increase their market share. Sound familiar?

Unionization in the country depends on the tenacity of their workforce as well. For far too long unionized workers were not involved in their union and expected them to 'read their minds' simply because they paid union dues and never attended meetings or spoke out about their concerns/attitudes. A union is only as strong as their membership "to a point!!!'

When politics (union or otherwise) enter the foray, then all bets are off!!!

Recently, the IAM represented CO Flight Attendants voted no for their concessionary agreement and what was the response by their union?

Clearly, the membership spoke and their 'union' was not only 'not supportive' but their response was negative to the membership!!! WTF? When you have both the company ‘and’ your union against you, what can you do?

The AFL/CIO ‘mega union’ is not doing a darn( 😛 ) thing to help either!!! When the UA FA’s had their CHAOS picket at SFO, AMFA members of AMFA9 showed up to support their efforts. Although the FA’s welcomed the ‘solidarity’ the ‘union organizers’ asked us to leave. Is this a ‘union’ activity? WTF is up with that?

It took ‘YEARS’ of self sacrifice, dedication, and tenacity to get us to where we are today, and most of the membership is more worried about missing the super bowl than taking an active part in the defense of the destruction of our pay and benefits!!!

‘WE’ get what ‘WE’ deserve by our lackadaisical involvement with the organization that is ‘supposedly’ there to protect our position.

There is no need to sally forth, for it remains true that those things which make us human are, curiously enough, always close at hand. Resolve then, that on this very ground, with small flags waving and tiny blasts of tiny trumpets, we have met the enemy, and not only may he be ours, he may be us.

B) UT