Oh Where Oh Where Has The Iam Gone ?

[aafsc]

It took the bankruptcy court to force concessions upon its workers, what can you say about your beloved TWU and AA?

And the company still did not impose unilateral changes even though they had the right to when the judge abrogated the contracts.

[post="260495"][/post]​

What I can say about my "beloved TWU and AA" is that I still have my pension, make more hourly than my counterpart at U, pay less for medical and can work in more than just 10 cities. U's compensation is at the bottom of the heap with the tacit blessing of the great IAM. Even non-union Delta people are doing better than the people at U. U management got everything it wanted from the IAM. The choice was clear: 1. Either the IAM leadership and membership struck and shut it down or 2. The IAM leadership and membership capitulate to U management's demands and give them everything they want. The IAM and the membership made their choice and I respect their right to choose. My main point is that the unions (IAM, TWU,etc.) are WORTHLESS. Why do you thump your chest for the IAM when they have been castrated? People at U are resigning, happy to get laid off, or waiting for the buyout. The can't get people off the street for what they want to pay because it is BELOW the capitalist market rate. Why pay union dues to work for below market rate wages?

 

[Kev3188]

There is no chest thumping and embarrassing T'Shirts.
Just a quiet resolve in solidarity.

Take Care,
B) UT

[post="260476"][/post]​

This concept should be in every union's Mission Statement, and workers should be taught the importance of this concept when they first get their cards.

 

[UAL_TECH]

It took the bankruptcy court to force concessions upon its workers, what can you say about your beloved TWU and AA?

And the company still did not impose unilateral changes even though they had the right to when the judge abrogated the contracts.

[post="260495"][/post]​

Still a protectionist?

Can you speak for yourself once in awhile or do you honestly believe the crap you post?

I see the IAM is up to bat again next week at the 'Lazy'U'.
Any bets on the outcome?

B) UT

 

[700UW]

Lets see, you voted to strike, the court imposed concessions yet all the AMFA represented mechanics at UAL are still at work, why has the leadership not listened to the membership?

Why are there 50% less AMTs at NWA?

And to aafsc, there are more then 10 cities that the fleet service are working at.

 

[Red Tail Bear]

Lets see, you voted to strike, the court imposed concessions yet all the AMFA represented mechanics at UAL are still at work, why has the leadership not listened to the membership?

Why are there 50% less AMTs at NWA?
And to aafsc, there are more then 10 cities that the fleet service are working at.

[post="260551"][/post]​

Because they voted in a contract that had a clause in it that allowed for this?

 

[AP Tech]

[quote=700UW,Apr 5 2005, 10:27 AM
Why are there 50% less AMTs at NWA?

Now I probably would not go there......lets see with the "fighting machinists" all but 50 utility are gone from the property and the majority of the mechanics are gone and I believe more soon to follow when the Airbus S cks are sent out. I know they are covered in that so called contract the IAM has but there is a clause stating the company has the right to outsource if they cannot be done inhouse within a certain time frame. And all involved know it has been set up to fail. That contract is so vague it allows the company to do anything they like, and please don't tell me "you voted for it" as if the IAM would have had B***** they would have recommended a NO vote.

Strength by numbers???? Yea right!!!!!! More like we need more members to offset the loss of dues due to the furloughed members!!!!

 

[fanlube]

The old fighting machnists fighting for industry leading concessions!! Can't dispute it!!

 

[IAM1776PHL]

I just heard a good one today ,as I understand it is , the iam is now trying to figure out a way to organize the whole airport in phl as some kind of airline port authority where the iam will represent the workers and I guess hire out of the union hall. did anyone here anymore about this ?

 

[insp89]

[post="260572"][/post][/right]

AP Tech, Great Post, You hit the nail on the head....I too am tired of the "you voted for it" B.S., A SLIM majority voted YES, Roughly 48% voted NO......With the IAM, It doesn't really matter how the membership votes anyway, They'll just tell everyone that they are "confused" and hold a revote on the same POS offer...How about best 2 out of 3 next time ? PATHETIC

 

[700UW]

the majority of the mechanics are gone and I believe more soon to follow when the Airbus S cks are sent out. I know they are covered in that so called contract the IAM has but there is a clause stating the company has the right to outsource if they cannot be done inhouse within a certain time frame. And all involved know it has been set up to fail. That contract is so vague it allows the company to do anything they like, and please don't tell me "you voted for it" as if the IAM would have had B***** they would have recommended a NO vote.

Strength by numbers???? Yea right!!!!!! More like we need more members to offset the loss of dues due to the furloughed members!!!!

[post="260572"][/post]​

Please show me where the clause is in the current amended collective bargaining agreement.

Also show me where the language is vague on the heavy checks, the only thing that has changed in the scope is the outsourcing of the widebodies, 757s, 50% of the 737 and the scribe repairs. The language is exactly the same otherwise and it does not permit outsourcing of heavy checks in any other circumstance, refer back to the airbus arbitration award.

Let me give you a hint, you won't find it because no such clause exsist.

 

[700UW]

Sixty-one percent of the voting Mechanic & Related membership has accepted US Airways’ final 1113© term sheet

Lets see 100-61 =39 and 61-39=22, I don't believe 22% is a slim margin.

 

[calibrator]

AP Tech, Great Post, You hit the nail on the head....I too am tired of the "you voted for it" B.S., A SLIM majority voted YES, Roughly 48% voted NO......With the IAM, It doesn't really matter how the membership votes anyway, They'll just tell everyone that they are "confused" and hold a revote on the same POS offer...How about best 2 out of 3 next time ? PATHETIC

[post="260670"][/post]​

Before I worked at the "once" big U, I worked where the Steel Workers Union Membership was required to be employed. You're talking 20 years ago. What occurred there was the exact same thing the IAM did with the “two votes“. The Steel Workers Leaders told us that the owner would close the plant if we didn't accept, so like the IAM membership, the Steel Workers caved. I voted no, but like the IAM it didn't matter passing the second round with no problem. That contract was for a ten year term at 20 cents a year increase, yes twenty cents, the only good part was health insurance was good, but then again most were twenty years ago. So I moved on and up to U after a few more years working there and the guys left under the Steel Workers worked out the remainder of the ten year contract at the 20 cent yearly increase. That owner died a few years ago, another company bought it out and fired all the Steel Workers and hired non union. Before the owner died he gave 25, yes 25 million dollars to his alma mater, Lehigh near Philadelphia. So those guys worked for a 20 cent yearly increase and the owner lived like a king and gave away a fortune to strangers who never made him a dime. When I read complaining about the IAM like this, I am reminded of these facts I lived. The only difference between that place and U is the owners at U are the executives. Great country we live in, as long as you struggle, fight and bite your way to the proper social class least you work your butt off till you’re dead and gone while another innocent one is waiting to take your place thinking thankfully he, “has a jobâ€￾.

 

[delldude]

Please show me where the clause is in the current amended collective bargaining agreement.



Let me give you a hint, you won't find it because no such clause exsist.

[post="260673"][/post]​

per the term sheet you guys voted in by 61%-
the company may outsource any and all work in the shops/areas as described in attachment C.
thats it....funny....attachment C doesn't have 431 listed..wonder why.....

 

[insp89]

Sixty-one percent of the voting Mechanic & Related membership has accepted US Airways’ final 1113© term sheet

Lets see 100-61 =39 and 61-39=22, I don't believe 22% is a slim margin.

[post="260676"][/post]​

You can play your little numbers game all you want,

Don't tell me [or the other members who voted NO] that "you voted for this" mess.

The majority voted for it, but it wasn't 100%...

Noticed you didn't have anything to say about the infamous 2nd vote....Are you trying to forget ??

 

[AP Tech]

Please show me where the clause is in the current amended collective bargaining agreement.


Thanks Dude, that is what it says on the highlight sheet, and that is what we are going by since we never received a copy of the agreement. I Know 700 its the company's responsiblity to provide the members with a copy?

"The company may" do anything they d*** well please because the IAM is now powerless!!!!