Outsourcing Fleet

[700UW]

ALPA, AFA, CWA, IAM and the TWU were reimbursed for legal, financial, lost time, hotel expenses for concessionary negotiations. Since the unions were not under any obligation to negotiate with US, they reimbursed all the unions up to a certain dollar amount for costs incurred by the unions, it happened in the first two rounds of concessions and the last one.

The same occurred at AA, UA, CO and any other carrier that has gotten concessions from their unionized workers.

It would not be fair nor correct for members to have to pay for the costs associated with concessions since the company is the one who sought them and opened up the contracts. The membership could have been assessed to cover all the costs incurred.

This was in all the term sheets and the membership knew before they voted that this would occur.

 

[Dog Wonder]

The IAM already had valid contracts approved by both parties. Any expenses to renegotiate were a direct result of the company seeking to change those contracts.

Who should bear those additional expenses?

 

[700UW]

All the unions had their expenses reimbursed, the membership knew up front and the money for the legal and financial experts were paid directly to them and then the lost time, hotel and per diem expenses were paid to the respective unions.

I know I for one as a union member would be very pissed off if I was assessed to pay for concessionary negotiations with my own money.

It is standard in the airline industry when a carrier seeks concessions outside of the normal section 6 negotiations, that they pay for the expenses occured, that was right from Siegel and Glass.

 

[DR.EVIL]

OK 700UW Help me understand this. US Airways paid for certain legal fees and cost associated with the various and sundry negotiations?

You are always so quick to call management unethical. Don't you find accepting money from your adversary just a tad unethical or at the very least the creation of the perception of conflict of interest?

I must have been asleep on this one. Did this really happen? IAM getting money from Airways for legal fees? Is this common in other industries or labor negotiations in general??

[post="255262"][/post]​

Ask him how much?? You will be shocked. Over 1.25 MILLION. That is no typo. :down:

 

[700UW]

If you read the first term sheet dr evil, it was up to $1.25 million for fleet service, mechanic and related and maintenance training specialists, is was UP TO for all three groups together since it was three seperate contracts.

Why should any union member have to pay for concessionary bargaining when their contract is not amendable, Piney?

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

Now correct me if I'm wrong but with you Siegel and Glass are practicaly the Anti-Christ with you. But when you are asked to defend the IAM's taking of monies from US Airways you invoke their names to support the position.

I find that curious to be polite.

[post="255297"][/post]​

So what?

You and I can't stand each other but I have agreed with one or two things you have said in past. Just because you don't like someone doesn't mean they will never say or do something you agree with.

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

Why should any union member have to pay for concessionary bargaining when their contract is not amendable, Piney?

[post="255318"][/post]​

I thought the stand was closed and there was no bargaining or negotiations taking place.

That aside are unions always reembursed for negotiations conducted inside or outside the normal contract bargaining times?

If so....

It just sounds wrong to me? It implys that your organization can be bought.

[post="255265"][/post]​

Why would it seem they can be bought if they get reimbursed same amount either way?Win or lose

 

[awayfrmitall]

The membership could have been assessed to cover all the costs incurred.

[post="255263"][/post]​

Funny, I was under the impression that paying dues for years would have more than covered the cost. Why not dip into that hefty strike fund the IAM has... It appears that they are never going to use it.

 

[700UW]

The strike fund if for strikes, you can't take the money to pay for negotiations.

And if you have not noticed lately the districts are not taking in much money, that is why 141M was disbanded and moved into 142.

And where does the salaries and arbitrations get paid from?

 

[700UW]

I don't see you saying anything about ALPA, AFA, CWA or the TWU who all got the same.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I don't see you saying anything about ALPA, AFA, CWA or the TWU who all got the same.

[post="255391"][/post]​

Correct, at least for ALPA.

Of course, there's been some heated discussion on the subject. The company pays the "advisor's" bills and the advisor recommends taking the company offer or "it'll get worse". Sound familiar?

Jim

 

[robbedagain]

if you are in the iam union and you're being outsourced between now and the end of june, why should the affected employees have to continue paying union dues when afterall it was the union and the company that sold us down the river in the first place? i dont believe we the affected employees should have to pay the dues just because we were subsidized to a cheaper labor group. dont go there with "you voted it in" because i know for a fact that in my station alone most of us voted no and no. i have always went the no way on these issues. now i cant wait till i get my severance and sick pay and get the he!! out of airline life

 

[700UW]

You would not be getting severance, sick pay or a buyout if it was not for having a union contract and paying union dues, and you have to pay dues as a condition of employment.

 

[robbedagain]

You would not be getting severance, sick pay or a buyout if it was not for having a union contract and paying union dues, and you have to pay dues as a condition of employment.

[post="255450"][/post]​

alright, but if we werent union for example, i would think that we would get severance. I know soem friends at delta who got laid off and they got a severance. i know delta is a better off than we are but come on.

 

[Hope777]

700, not Totally correct. In the State of New Jersey, you need not be in the Union. If your Company is Unionized, you are still entitled to all Contracted Benifits if you Choose not to be represented. Other States also have similar Laws.