Pilot job action?!

[1AA]

I wish the TWU represented the pilots at AA, this would have been over long ago.

After one contract from the TWU the Pilots would have booted them out.
Would have never lasted even if it could happen.

 

[jersey777]

I know things break all the time, but isn't there going to be a time that all these items that probably have been put off for awhile are fixed and maybe the planes will be in the best shape in years and these shenanigans stop being so effective?

 

[nbmcg01]

Shenanigans? Have you ever "worked to rule"? Very effective way to get things done when the union can't seem to get the company to negotiate in good faith. I have known very few f/as willing to work to rule because we are hired to be people pleasers and problem solvers. That is one of the reasons f/as have such a high % of domestic violence incidents. We are told from the beginning, "everyone else is right and you need to make it so". Has this gone past the point of repair? Only time will tell (or a massive overthrow of senior mangt.) Clean house and start again.

 

[1AA]

I know things break all the time, but isn't there going to be a time that all these items that probably have been put off for awhile are fixed and maybe the planes will be in the best shape in years and these shenanigans stop being so effective?

The way AA wants to run the M&E department the final fix will be when the aircraft is in a "C" check some where in Asia or South America.

 

[Super FLUF]

I know things break all the time, but isn't there going to be a time that all these items that probably have been put off for awhile are fixed and maybe the planes will be in the best shape in years and these shenanigans stop being so effective?

I just put this through my computer's "Whining-to-English" translator and this is what came out -

"I voted yes and now I am bitter. I'm bitter that the pilots may get more money. I hope their effort fails. It will make me feel better about caving and making the idiotic decision to vote for a McDonalds labor contract."

 

[jersey777]

The bottom line is the pilots are in denial. You are belittling your job and harming other employees and do not have an ounce of sympathy with the general public, the media or the UCC. Your self destructive actions are unprofessional and by crying wolf every time there is a minor issue that could be placarded it is destroying your credibility when there really is a major issue. I wasn't born yesterday and is it exceptionally clear that what you are doing is a job action. I hear laughter on the employee bus and I know how easy it is for you to gum up the system and "find" issues at the last minute. It usually comes down to one mans agenda...the captains. I've seen it over and over the last 21 years. If the captain has a commuter flight then minor things get overlooked or placarded. If the captain wants a longer layover or to missconnect then they take delays on non safety issues like broken lavs. Don't try to convince me it is not true...I've seen it with my own eyes and I could retell a particular story the cockpit told us on the hotel van concerning the airbus...but the specifics would not be appropriate here.

Face it, the pilots are gonna take their medicine just like we all have. It is not bitterness on my part but extreme arrogance coming from the people who think they are above the realities that have happened at every major airline. The best outcome I see is that the furniture gets rearranged in your contract but the dollar amount will stay in the same ballpark. I am extremely happy with my yes vote because for my particular work group, we keep our duty rigs, got a small signing bonus and get an increase in pay and expense money until USAir and AA merge. The pilots on the other hand will start standing by for that first class seat on the 777 for your breaks and will lose all your current duty rigs in one month. You will get that all back after the merge but after that your credibility will take much more time to be regained.

 

[FWAAA]

I just put this through my computer's "Whining-to-English" translator and this is what came out -

"I voted yes and now I am bitter. I'm bitter that the pilots may get more money. I hope their effort fails. It will make me feel better about caving and making the idiotic decision to vote for a McDonalds labor contract."

What a classless post. Your parents, especially your mother, should be very proud.

 

[777 / 767 / 757 Love]

What a classless post. Your parents, especially your mother, should be very proud.

You all don't get it: there are not enough airlines to hire everyone at AA if / when it goes Chapter 7. You don't get it, if the UCC thinks this will go on forever without a new contract, they will pull the plug while there is still some cash on hand, and sell the parts off to at least make sure they break even.

You don't get it: this leads to everyone losing their jobs. As a former APA pilot told me: "What idiot thinks that having no job is better than that contract? What kind of arrogance must one have to think he/she is better and more important than everyone else and thus place their livelyhoods in jeopardy for their own personal wants. I will tell you who: the idiot whose expectations are based on a world that existed 20 years ago; an idiot who is supposed to retire in a few years and has nothing to lose---> because anyone with kids who threatens their livelyhood is just that: AN IDIOT. "

If the pilots don't like their contract, they can do what the rest of us working stiffs have to do: suck it the **** up, or quit and get another job.

Cheers,
777 / 767 / 757

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

You all don't get it: there are not enough airlines to hire everyone at AA if / when it goes Chapter 7. You don't get it, if the UCC thinks this will go on forever without a new contract, they will pull the plug while there is still some cash on hand, and sell the parts off to at least make sure they break even.

You don't get it: this leads to everyone losing their jobs. As a former APA pilot told me: "What idiot thinks that having no job is better than that contract? What kind of arrogance must one have to think he/she is better and more important than everyone else and thus place their livelyhoods in jeopardy for their own personal wants. I will tell you who: the idiot whose expectations are based on a world that existed 20 years ago; an idiot who is supposed to retire in a few years and has nothing to lose---> because anyone with kids who threatens their livelyhood is just that: AN IDIOT. "

If the pilots don't like their contract, they can do what the rest of us working stiffs have to do: suck it the **** up, or quit and get another job.

Cheers,
777 / 767 / 757

Enjoy your pay cut.....


Glad to see that your one who says I am glad just to have a job.

YOUR Some one who does not believe that he deserves to be compensated for what he does.

Now you have shown all of us here who read your post, that you will just take it because your not willing to fight for the $$$$ which puts food on the table for your family. Not willing to stand up for what is right, for your workmates. The public cares nothing about us and will walk right on by when we show a fight. I know because I have walked a picket line.

 

[Mach85ER]

If the captain wants a longer layover or to missconnect then they take delays on non safety issues like broken lavs.

A broken lav can be a safety/security issue and the reason shouldn't be discussed in an open forum. Your little missive demonstrates while you may have decades of valuable experience working behind the cockpit door, as crewmember subordinate to the decisons and directives of the aircraft commander, you don't have the skills and knowledge to decide or comment on the validity of them.

 

[jersey777]

Is that all you got?

 

[Mach85ER]

Nope.

 

[Watdahail?]

This is another story posted that's going around...

heard this from someone i used to work with at the bank --- her neighbor works at a sub shop in Southlake (Near DFW where lots of pilots live) after school--- a pilot came in and ordered a salad and a sandwich and when he went to pay for it he said " don't forget my AA discount" and the man at the register said "we give that anymore". the pilot asked
'when did you stop it, i was here 2 weeks ago and i got 10% off". The owner who is married to a woman who works in res replied "it ended when you walked in the door" The woman has been working 10-12 hours rebooking all the canceled flights. Moral of the story== Don't wear a pilots uniform into any business within 50 miles of the airport---everybody knows somebody affected by their childish behavior. P.S. the pilot left the shop without the food----cheapo.


So this is affecting public opinion..DK if its true or not

 

[AC Tynker]

You all don't get it: there are not enough airlines to hire everyone at AA if / when it goes Chapter 7. You don't get it, if the UCC thinks this will go on forever without a new contract, they will pull the plug while there is still some cash on hand, and sell the parts off to at least make sure they break even.

You don't get it: this leads to everyone losing their jobs. As a former APA pilot told me: "What idiot thinks that having no job is better than that contract? What kind of arrogance must one have to think he/she is better and more important than everyone else and thus place their livelyhoods in jeopardy for their own personal wants. I will tell you who: the idiot whose expectations are based on a world that existed 20 years ago; an idiot who is supposed to retire in a few years and has nothing to lose---> because anyone with kids who threatens their livelyhood is just that: AN IDIOT. "

If the pilots don't like their contract, they can do what the rest of us working stiffs have to do: suck it the **** up, or quit and get another job.

Cheers,
777 / 767 / 757

WOW!! It's like he was speaking directly to Desk Pilot Bob "The 8Ball Flop" Owens. Not trying to change the subject just an observation.

 

[bigjets]

A broken lav can be a safety/security issue and the reason shouldn't be discussed in an open forum. Your little missive demonstrates while you may have decades of valuable experience working behind the cockpit door, as crewmember subordinate to the decisons and directives of the aircraft commander, you don't have the skills and knowledge to decide or comment on the validity of them.

Unless you are on the last leg of a 3 day trip and you're headed home. Who are you trying to BS!!!