Pilot Labor Thread for the week 4/19-4/26

[ClueByFour]

Your predictions have been right on so far there Prechill. I'm sure this one will come to pass also. You sure are clairvoyant.

Try this on:

I correct predicted that the DOH/LOS strategy would fail miserably for the East. Nicolau resulted.

I will further predict that USAPA will not be able to impose a DOS/LOS list on the West. We'll see what time brings.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Try this on:

I correct predicted that the DOH/LOS strategy would fail miserably for the East. Nicolau resulted.

I will further predict that USAPA will not be able to impose a DOS/LOS list on the West. We'll see what time brings.

I predict that the sun will go down tonight and come up again tomorrow.

I also predict that people that proclaim themselves experts on EVERYTHING will continue to post on this board just to stir the pot.

We'll see what time brings.....

 

[wopr21]

Funny. That is EXACTLY what we were trying to convey to our east brothers & sisters for the last 2 years! There are about 180-200 that live or commute more easily there. By the same token, there are AAA pilots that live west of the Mississippi that would have benefited (I'll bet the numbers are close to the same amount).

But we just couldn't get past that DOH/LOS mantra, could we?? Nice job letting the window for a new joint contract close last fall while USAPA spoilers sat in the van making a plan. Captial idea!!

ALPA or APA will be your new FORCED representation when Parker announces the next merger. Gee, I wonder if you can get them to help you with DOH??

You guys have lit a fire under a group that was "go along to get along". We have NEVER been more galvanized. A thousand thanks!!

Tell me then ,who will be flying the 330 after major attrition takes place on the east? Thats right, west pilots. You think that we are going to fly till were 80 years old.
Like I've said before , The west never looks past their nose. You must look into the future to see the benefits you will have after you have been here a while. Thats what happens when you are senior based on DOH.

The next mergers will get real ugly. A DOH list is the only fair way to put everything together. Let me say it again" with fences and restrictions to protect what you already have and what you have earned through your DOH". I have yet to hear a west pilot acknowledge that. The east does not want your job. I do think its fair though that if any new flying comes to Usairways that if be split proportionally. Lets say if we get 1000 extra flight hours per month, it should be split 66% east 33% west.

Moving forward

wopr21

 

[WCT]

If US Airways stands alone for the future, who really gives a crap!? Most of the East pilots will be gone. Leave there legacy, and retire at 65. Let it be. The West pilots will soon get what is coming. Same for US fa's!! Sometimes youth is a blessing. No offense. 😀

 

[JetMonkey]

I predict that the sun will go down tonight and come up again tomorrow.I also predict that people that proclaim themselves experts on EVERYTHING will continue to post on this board just to stir the pot.

We'll see what time brings.....

Yeah, and most likely your probably right it will come up again. But there lies the big difference, you can't GUARANTEE that it will. And that's what your moronic leaders are tell the rank and file.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Ok, as someone who is not a pilot, can someone explain to me (serious explanations, please) exactly what the USAPA win means for the pilot group? Does this void the Niccolau award? What will this mean for seniority integration? When will USAPA become the official union of the airline?

Also, is it possible that USAPA could represent other pilot groups, too? The wholly-owned US express carriers come to mind -- PI and PSA.

The win and NMB certification means that USAPA represents the pilots at USAirways. As of Friday we are the official union. As for Nicolau, all I can say is that "It's to be determined". Lots of challenges by the west pilots through AWAPPA et. al. Lots of people claim to know the "Real answer", but no one really knows what the final outcome will be at this time.

USAPA has no interest in representing other pilot groups. We might be able to assist them in getting off the ground, as far as starting something like ALPA, it won't happen. Each group is on its own. We may eventually decide to become part of CAPA which is made up primarily with the APA, UPS pilots and others. But that is strictly a lobbying group in DC. It will have to be passed by the membership to happen.

I heard last night (Rumor mill) there are now 6 groups talking to Seham about starting a decertification effort to leave ALPA. No breakdown as to who yet. I may never know in advance. Or it could be rumor only. That's up 1 from last week.

So right now USAPA is a work in progress. Hope this helps some to answer your questions.

 

[Coffee_Tea_Or_Me]

The win and NMB certification means that USAPA represents the pilots at USAirways. As of Friday we are the official union. As for Nicolau, all I can say is that "It's to be determined". Lots of challenges by the west pilots through AWAPPA et. al. Lots of people claim to know the "Real answer", but no one really knows what the final outcome will be at this time.

USAPA has no interest in representing other pilot groups. We might be able to assist them in getting off the ground, as far as starting something like ALPA, it won't happen. Each group is on its own. We may eventually decide to become part of CAPA which is made up primarily with the APA, UPS pilots and others. But that is strictly a lobbying group in DC. It will have to be passed by the membership to happen.

I heard last night (Rumor mill) there are now 6 groups talking to Seham about starting a decertification effort to leave ALPA. No breakdown as to who yet. I may never know in advance. Or it could be rumor only. That's up 1 from last week.

So right now USAPA is a work in progress. Hope this helps some to answer your questions.

It does! Thanks!!!!

 

[Phoenix]

Ok, as someone who is not a pilot, can someone explain to me (serious explanations, please) exactly what the USAPA win means for the pilot group? Does this void the Niccolau award? What will this mean for seniority integration? When will USAPA become the official union of the airline?

Also, is it possible that USAPA could represent other pilot groups, too? The wholly-owned US express carriers come to mind -- PI and PSA.

The USAPA win? Mostly a new constitution and bylaw (CB&L) that will govern the ways that elected reps conduct business on behalf of and for the pilots of USAir. Perhaps the most sweeping change is that the line pilot has direct impact through constitutionally mandated voting, whereas under ALPA, power is wielded by the upper levels of leadership that are not even elected by the line pilots, but by second and third tiers above them in the power structure. Thus under ALAP those in power are less accountable to the pilots they ostensibly represent.

The Nic award? Is the money that was printed by the Confederate States of America still money of the Confederacy?

Seniority integration? ???? No guess here.

When USAPA? It has already became the legal bargaining agent of USAir pilots by virtue of the NMB announcement of the the election results.

Represent other pilot groups too? A pilot group is represented by whichever bargaining agent they lawfully elect.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Yeah, and most likely your probably right it will come up again. But there lies the big difference, you can't GUARANTEE that it will. And that's what your moronic leaders are tell the rank and file.

There are no guarantees in life except death and taxes. You may not wake up in the morning either. However calling someone names serves no purpose except to label yourself. But if our "Morons" can pull off this election victory in such a short amount of time, unite a fractured pilot group, then I will take them anytime.

 

[prechilill]

There are no guarantees in life except death and taxes. You may not wake up in the morning either. However calling someone names serves no purpose except to label yourself. But if our "Morons" can pull off this election victory in such a short amount of time, unite a fractured pilot group, then I will take them anytime.

You need to find the antonym for "unite", then your last sentence would make much better sense.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

You need to find the antonym for "unite", then your last sentence would make much better sense.

I wouldn't expect you to understand. It makes perfect sense to me.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

You need to find the antonym for "unite", then your last sentence would make much better sense.

prechilill,
What's done is done. If the west pilots don't cooperate I guess the east will speak for you. That would not be prudent. It's up to you guys. Otherwise, you might find the antonym for "prudent" and that would describe the westies choice not to work with the east.

Later,
Eye

 

[EyeInTheSky]

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Where is it OK to deny Jumpseats to pilots coming to work or going home? Where is it OK to start a shoving match in the terminal? Where is it OK for a wanabe junior birdman to play with his little toy clicker next to an East pilot? Where is it OK for a West pilot to be an rude and arrogant a**
in front of his crew, an east crew and everyone else on a hotel bus at ORD?

Talk about unprofessional behavior!

MM

Oh yeah,
I forgot about those "dog clickers." It just goes to show how low a few can go. No big whoop, ALPA's dead -- viva USAPA.

Later,
Eye

 

[av8or]

"Flow"? HUH? Are you referring to the seniority list?

Almost worked out? When? At Wye River? Denver? Or was it some secret meeting ALPA was notorious for? If that was the case, then where is the announcement we're almost there? Your credibility just took a nose dive.

However, why don't you give the USAPA leadership a call and let them know you had it almost worked out.

not remotely surprising either, try re-reading my post, i'm referring to flow from the wholly owned's, but of course, as is the case with most easties, you don't even realize or care that we exist even though we're all part of the same company, hence 'flowthru'
no secret meetings, all done in the open

USAPA has no interest in representing other pilot groups. We might be able to assist them in getting off the ground, as far as starting something like ALPA, it won't happen. Each group is on its own.

precisely, usapa is only interested in themselves, so nothings really changed from aaa alpa 'give us ours and screw everyone else', so i guess trade unionism is still dead and buried

so much rhetoric from usapa, should have hired bagdad bob as your pr guy

You need to find the antonym for "unite", then your last sentence would make much better sense.

makes you wonder what color the sky is in his world if he thinks this 'organized tantrum' did anything remotely similar to unification, guess that depends on "how you define unite" 🙄

 

[av8or]

prechilill,
What's done is done. If the west pilots don't cooperate I guess the east will speak for you. That would not be prudent. It's up to you guys. Otherwise, you might find the antonym for "prudent" and that would describe the westies choice not to work with the east.

Later,
Eye

wow, so its "do it our way or we'll do it our way for you?" again, typical east mentality how is that different than roll calling?