Poll for US Pilots: Do you want to merge with AA/APA?

[firedougparker]

Thought this would be timely considering the actions the AA pilots are taking right now, especially the alleged sickout.

For US pilots: Do you want to bring these guys into the fold and deal with them? Do you want to be a part of APA?

 

[Ames]

Thought this would be timely considering the actions the AA pilots are taking right now, especially the alleged sickout.

For US pilots: Do you want to bring these guys into the fold and deal with them? Do you want to be a part of APA?

A lot more than I want to be part of ucrapa.

 

[jimntx]

Be careful what you wish for. For instance, how will the "DOH Forever" East pilots deal with the seniority of the AA pilots? What about the former TW pilots that are flying for you? What about the AA pilots that are on furlough or are set to "flow-through" from AE to AA?

If you think you have a mess now, just wait.

 

[Ames]

Be careful what you wish for. For instance, how will the "DOH Forever" East pilots deal with the seniority of the AA pilots? What about the former TW pilots that are flying for you? What about the AA pilots that are on furlough or are set to "flow-through" from AE to AA?

If you think you have a mess now, just wait.

I respect the APA in that they function like a real union - looking out for the interests of their pilots. Former TWA pilots can correct me if I'm wrong but it wasn't so much APA putting the screws to them but alpa throwing them under the bus. Of course APA was going to try to get everything they could from that merger but the TWA pilots expected the same from alpa and were sadly disappointed.

I am willing to take my chances because I don't recall APA designing their CB&L's to disinfranchise a major portion of their group, nor do I recall them suiing any of their membership for any reason, especially intimidation tactics.

Ucrapa should die a miserable death and for that I am willing to sacrifice.

 

[FWAAA]

Although there are angry ex-TWA pilots, their integration in the APA list was the result of arbitration. And unlike US East pilots, APA didn't try to disown their arbitration decisions.

Many assume that the US East and West pilots would be integrated into the APA by arbitration, probably producing a result similar to Nic. In fact, the Nic list would probably be the list that the aribtrator would use along with the APA list. That would probably raise the blood pressure of some pro-USAPA East pilots.

 

[Phoenix]

Although there are angry ex-TWA pilots, their integration in the APA list was the result of arbitration. And unlike US East pilots, APA didn't try to disown their arbitration decisions.

Many assume that the US East and West pilots would be integrated into the APA by arbitration, probably producing a result similar to Nic. In fact, the Nic list would probably be the list that the aribtrator would use along with the APA list. That would probably raise the blood pressure of some pro-USAPA East pilots.

Assume... Probably..

vs.

In fact... Probably, probably...

 

[signals]

An alleged sickout? Am I to assume the pilkots pulled a NWA and called in sick? Too bad it failed for USAPA circa 2008.

 

[FWAAA]

According to some pilot posters, sick calls at AA among pilots are currently at historical lows since September 5. Their claim is that there is no sickout.

That makes sense, because if you call in sick, you can't be there to make certain that every maintenance issue is being taken care of before flight.

 

[exB717Flyer]

Although there are angry ex-TWA pilots, their integration in the APA list was the result of arbitration.

You must be confused with some other airline. There was no arbitration with the APA. The APA made a show of holding talks with the TWA pilots, ignored thier proposal, concocted the list and fences, and handed it to management who imposed it.
And for more history, in October 2001 the APA sued the TWA pilots for a declaratory judgement saying what they did was legal.

 

[exB717Flyer]

Former TWA pilots can correct me if I'm wrong but it wasn't so much APA putting the screws to them but alpa throwing them under the bus.

I'm gonna have to correct you a bit. APA was by far the bigger bad guy. ALPA sold us out but it was the APA who made us their furlough-fodder. To this day they think they gave us more than we deserved.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

I want this merger to happen, thinking purely long term. Every few years, it seems as if AWA, and then LCC, managed to find itself on the brink of insolvency. That roller coaster gets old, and I've got 20.5 years left. If it does happen, in the near term I'm under no illusions, I expect it to hurt like hell.

 

[luvn737s]

Why hasn't the head of ALK gone into merger-panic mode? US could do quite well as a stand-alone airline if they would capitalize on their strengths instead of allowing their weaknesses to hobble them. Once they become immense, they won't be able to take any risks or the whole tent will collapse on them. As a smaller airline they can find ways to make money that larger airlines would never dare try. US could fly SNA-BOS and charge whatever it wanted. It could fly seasonal service SEA-CUN with impunity, but not if it had to run a cash-hungry monstrosity that couldn't stand to lose money starting up service even for a short while. Once you get big, you can only watch your competition be nimble.

The airline business needs someone with vision, but I think those folks aren't attracted to a commodity business like airlines.

 

[wings396]

I would tend to say that ALK serves a niche market, and doesn't have the same level of competition that most other carriers do. I do feel that its just a matter of time before they are pushed into a merger with someone no matter how much they resist.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2012/05/ex-twa-pilots-file-lawsuit-against-allied-pilots-association-american-airlines.html/

 

[firedougparker]

I respect the APA in that they function like a real union - looking out for the interests of their pilots. Former TWA pilots can correct me if I'm wrong but it wasn't so much APA putting the screws to them but alpa throwing them under the bus. Of course APA was going to try to get everything they could from that merger but the TWA pilots expected the same from alpa and were sadly disappointed.

I don't know. I'm not an AA pilot, but I am not sold that APA has been looking out for the best interests of their members. Don't forget that they walked away from about $100,000 per pilot in stock in the new company, just so they could say "screw you AA".

In my opinion that will go down in airline history as one of the biggest union screwups of all time.